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3871 messages, Last post on Dec 30, 2011 at 10:54 AM
You are in the Sedans Forum.What is this discussion about? Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan
#600 of 3871 Type? by backy
Sep 06, 2001 (10:41 pm)
Major, you actually expect someone to TYPE a URL??Let me try to set the record straight on this saga of the numbers, and maybe we can put it to bed so we can talk more about cuts of beef and Sephias/Spectras and such. This started 3 days ago (100 posts, we've been busy here, got the board into the Top 10 list) in response to carlton1's post re (paraphrasing) how no one buys Korean cars because of their reputation for poor reliability. So I used current sales figures for Hyundai and Kia to point out that a LOT of people were buying Korean cars. As the thread went on, and the people buying Korean cars (like me) were called "fools", I used current sales figures to show that not only are Hyundai and Kia's sales increasing, they are taking market share away from everyone else because all other makes either have declining sales from last year, or are increasing at a lower rate than Hyundai and Kia. The numbers I sought were for specific entry-level models. I found only partial data on models, from Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, and Kia. (BTW, in review of the thread the sales decline for the Echo was only 13.5%, not 14.5%--sorry). I couldn't find sales by model for Mazda--just those weird "Domestic", "International", and "Export" aggregates. So I reported what I found and tried to make some observations. YOU brought up the Autonews numbers, which are not model-specific. So I looked at them and made some observations on those.
You'll see if you review this thread that it was never about which car is better, or is higher quality. This sales surge by Hyundai and Kia is not because they have superior quality to makes like Toyota, Honda, and Mazda; they're getting closer but still have some work to do. But the market-share grabbing phenomenon is interesting nonetheless, and has resulted in some intriguing behavior from competitors. Example: when was the last time we saw large numbers of improvements to a Civic in its second year of a new generation, as we are with the 2002 models? I can't think of any, going back twenty years. The tweaks always came in the middle of the generation, the 3rd or 4th years. There could be many reasons for this, but I'll bet one reason is that Honda is not ignoring the fact that Civic sales are flat year-to-year, even with a new generation, and is reacting agressively. I am in sales, and when a competitor starts posting numbers like Hyundai and Kia and starts taking away your market share, you sit up and take notice and respond, or you are in for rough times. It will be interesting to see how Toyota, Mazda, and the rest respond in 2002.
#601 of 3871 Now Sephia, now you don't by backy
Sep 06, 2001 (10:48 pm)
iluv, from what I've seen on the road and read about, I think you have an accurate picture of the new Spectra sedan. You're right, it would be nice if Kia could say SOMETHING about this new model on the U.S. web site. But since I saw one on the road, maybe your local dealer has some in stock. Another idea is to call Kia's U.S. offices and ask them to tell all.#602 of 3871 A public apology by majorthomecho
Sep 07, 2001 (7:10 am)
I want to apologize to Backy and anyone else who thought I came down to hard on him in my most recent post. I was not a happy camper when I typed it, but that was not his fault.A couple of hours before I posted, I discovered that someone had run into my car and not told me. Fortunately, there was absolutely no damage done to my car or bumper except for a light scratch and some of their paint left on my car's bumper.
I knew whose car had done it and I talked to the owner last night. She claimed to have lent her car to some friends. She assured me that she had not done it.
That made me a little calmer, but I still was not happy. "Major Tom" is the first car that I chose by myself and no one else is helping me make the payments unlike my previous cars. I am very, very careful with him and how he looks.
I hope you all will understand and forgive me.
FYI, Backy I have not had a chance to look at your long post. I have to go buy a cheesecake and take it to my roommate. I will look at your post when I get back (if it is not lightning).
#603 of 3871 Re: Type? by majorthomecho
Sep 07, 2001 (10:34 am)
So what cuts of beef does everyone prefer? Or is there anyone that is a vegan?Personally, I like Filet Mignon.
Thanks to Backy for an explanation on his numbers. I know that no one was saying high sales equals quality or a better car. I was just relating my view on sales figures in general and the Echo sales figures in particular.
My whole motivation in this discussion was to provide an alternative view, an alternative possibility as to why Hyundai and Kia sales have increased.
#604 of 3871 major... by tazereli
Sep 07, 2001 (10:47 am)
if your echo is Major Tom, does that make the echo's big brother Colonel(sp?) Corrola?#605 of 3871 Taz by majorthomecho
Sep 07, 2001 (11:15 am)
Well, right now they would have to be step-brothers or at best, half-brothers, but just wait. It seems like Toyota will be taking a styling cue from the Echo for the next gen Corolla.You have given me an idea on what to call my roommate's car if she gets a Corolla.
When it comes down to crunch time and the search for a new car is serious, she will be looking at every car on the market within her price range. Those that don't meet her criteria will be crossed off the list. Those that do, we will have a test drive.
If my Echo continues to perform like it has, it will have a leg up. Although with her coming from a Galant, I think she would be happier in something with a longer wheelbase.
In closing, does anyone know why Colonel is spelled the way it is, but it is pronounced kur-nel?
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