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Re: Will new IIHS scores change your buying decision? [backy] by germancarfan1
Dec 20, 2006 (12:36 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 20, 2006 12:13 pm)

Actually, what's important to me is that the Sonata received an adequate rating while the Accord received a good rating. What's important to me is that the Sonata had the worst structural instrusion (tied with the Maxima) of the entire Midsized group. In fact, if you compare the Sonata's injury report with that of the Maxima (which received a Marginal rating), you'll see that the Sonata barely bettered it..meaning the Sonata is probably hanging onto that adequate rating by a thread.
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Re: Will new IIHS scores change your buying decision? [targettuning] by germancarfan1
Dec 20, 2006 (12:40 pm)
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Replying to: targettuning (Dec 20, 2006 12:24 pm)

The difference between the best and worst is a POOR rating and a GOOD rating. That difference could mean life and death. How is it that people need to find way to rationalize Hyundai's poor scores.
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Re: Will new IIHS scores change your buying decision? [germancarfan1] by pat HOST
Dec 20, 2006 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: germancarfan1 (Dec 20, 2006 12:40 pm)

I think we hear how you feel, loud and clear.
 
How about we move on?
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Crash Test Scores by joe97
Dec 20, 2006 (5:03 pm)
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What's interesting is that the government has recently mandated the use of crash test scores on display of each car sold. The scores would, of course, come from NHTSA, and actually boasts well for Hyundai, specifically the Sonata, one of the few vehicles actually archiving 5/5/5/5.
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Re: Crash Test Scores [joe97] by backy
Dec 20, 2006 (7:08 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Dec 20, 2006 5:03 pm)

And I wonder if that encourages automakers to design cars that do well on the NHTSA tests and not necessarily as well on the tougher IIHS tests.
 
Anyway, wrt low-end sedans, we'll have another one available very soon: the Versa. I suppose its IIHS frontal and rear crash test scores will be the same as the hatchback's (since the fronts are the same and they don't actually test the car in the rear test), but I wonder if the side test will be redone? Maybe they will also run the frontal test too, if there's a significant weight difference from the hatchback.
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Re: Crash Test Scores [backy] by w9cw
Dec 20, 2006 (7:32 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 20, 2006 7:08 pm)

Backy - Yes, the Sonata GLS would fit into this thread, as it can be had for less than $16K, including the rebates before TTL.
 
I really don't know why all of this sniping occurs here on Edmunds' forums. Everyone has their own opinion of course, but statistics are only statistics. It makes me wonder how I am still alive driving my 1985 SAAB 900 for 22 years without airbags, ABS, VSC, and all the other safety goodies on cars today. Heck, my wife and I were T-boned by a large '70s vintage Pontiac sedan when driving an old MG Magnette sedan in the early '70s, and we both walked away without any injuries. The same couldn't be said of those in the Pontiac - strange isn't it. The facts are it mostly comes down to the driver's skill (something quite lacking with many drivers today) - and, luck.
 
In a jocular tongue-and-cheek mode, German cars are some of the safest cars on the road. Why? Because in the long term, they spend more time in the shop, than on the road. I'm sorry, I just had to say that!
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Re: Crash Test Scores [w9cw] by backy
Dec 20, 2006 (7:51 pm)
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Replying to: w9cw (Dec 20, 2006 7:32 pm)

Technically I think the discussion is for cars that list for under $16k, but some people looking at cars in this class cross-shop in the next size class up if the price is right. I know I do.
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Re: Will new IIHS scores change your buying decision? [germancarfan1] by targettuning
Dec 21, 2006 (5:28 am)
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Replying to: germancarfan1 (Dec 20, 2006 12:40 pm)

How is that you always feel the need to dramatize anything negative for Hyundai? Face it, if the vehicle that just T-boned you intrudes to within an inch or two or three of the seat center line you are in trouble in a Yaris a Fit OR an Accent..probably even in a Rabbit/Jetta. Besides you have no statistics to back up the ability to better survive this type of accident in any one of these cars verses another. Any speculation you make on how any of these cars, or any other size cars for that matter might, or might not, keep you alive is just that...speculation. This is a controlled test with exact impact zones and speeds and while useful for overall comparison it is not the "end all" in real life crashes.
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Re: Will new IIHS scores change your buying decision? [targettuning] by germancarfan1
Dec 21, 2006 (7:37 am)
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Replying to: targettuning (Dec 21, 2006 5:28 am)

I believe the mod wants the topic back on track. Let's get back there, shall we?
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Re: Will new IIHS scores change your buying decision? [backy] by alpha01
Dec 21, 2006 (2:19 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 20, 2006 12:13 pm)

In side impact tests, bigger and heavier doesn't mean better, since scores are comparable across weight classes.
 
This is to say that you'd better off in a Yaris plus side airbags than you would be in a Crown Vic, even with its side airbags and "substantial" body on frame structure and weight, given the same size, shape, angle etc., of the impeding vehicle.
 
Also, I don't think that vehicles are designed to favor one test over the other, and many vehicles do well in both. My opinion though, is still that the NHTSA side impact rating is very flawed, since it discounts BOTH Head Injury and Pelvic injury.
 
Interesting correlation to note: The 5 star (NHTSA) side impact rated Hyundai Sonata recieves a 'Poor' Score for Driver Pelvis/Leg from the IIHS. In the NHTSA test, the Sonata had a Pelvic injury rating that was 1.5 times that of the top-scoring (both tests) Camry. (But the NHTSA score doesn't include Pelvis.)
 
~alpha

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