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Re: Will new IIHS scores change your buying decision? [backy]
by germancarfan1
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Dec 20, 2006 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 20, 2006 10:02 am)
The 2007 Sonata only received an adequate rating for side-impact and didn't exactly have the best structural integrity (a mere 1.0 inches from centerline of driver's seat). Sounds like another mushy Hyundai structure. No thank you, given the number of cars that received good side-impact ratings and high marks for structural integrity (Passat, Rabbit, Jetta, Camry, Accord, Legacy, etc.)
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Re: Will new IIHS scores change your buying decision? [germancarfan1]
by backy
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Dec 20, 2006 (12:13 pm)
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Replying to: germancarfan1 (Dec 20, 2006 11:32 am)
If that less-than-one-inch difference (1 cm vs. 3.5 cm) between the Sonata and Accord is important to you, that's fine. Some of the cars you listed are much better than the Sonata here though. My thinking was that a larger, heavier car would do better than a smaller, lighter car like the Fit or Yaris in a crash, even if the larger car has only an Acceptable rating. And some of these cars don't cost any more than the higher-priced small cars. Of those you listed, the base Rabbit 3-door is available for under $16k. All the others are over $16k, most WAY over. That's why I mentioned the Sonata and Mazda6i mid-sizers, since they can be had now for around $16k.
P.S. Those distances you are talking about are reported by the IIHS in centimeters, not inches.
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Re: Will new IIHS scores change your buying decision? [germancarfan1]
by targettuning
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Dec 20, 2006 (12:24 pm)
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Replying to: germancarfan1 (Dec 20, 2006 9:49 am)
Please note these measurements are in centimeters (cm.) Converted to inches they are less dramatic than you would have us believe due to the OATmeal in the Accents structure. In inches then:
1.57 inches for the Accent
2.95 inches for the Fit
3.54 inches for the Yaris
and 6.1 inches for the Rabbit/Jetta that is probably significantly wider than any of the above anyhow. So then the difference between the best and the worst is about 2 inches. Geez that oatmeal again...
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Re: Will new IIHS scores change your buying decision? [backy]
by germancarfan1
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Dec 20, 2006 (12:36 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 20, 2006 12:13 pm)
Actually, what's important to me is that the Sonata received an adequate rating while the Accord received a good rating. What's important to me is that the Sonata had the worst structural instrusion (tied with the Maxima) of the entire Midsized group. In fact, if you compare the Sonata's injury report with that of the Maxima (which received a Marginal rating), you'll see that the Sonata barely bettered it..meaning the Sonata is probably hanging onto that adequate rating by a thread.
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Re: Will new IIHS scores change your buying decision? [targettuning]
by germancarfan1
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Dec 20, 2006 (12:40 pm)
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Replying to: targettuning (Dec 20, 2006 12:24 pm)
The difference between the best and worst is a POOR rating and a GOOD rating. That difference could mean life and death. How is it that people need to find way to rationalize Hyundai's poor scores.
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Re: Will new IIHS scores change your buying decision? [germancarfan1]
by pat HOST
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Dec 20, 2006 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: germancarfan1 (Dec 20, 2006 12:40 pm)
I think we hear how you feel, loud and clear.
How about we move on?
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Crash Test Scores
by joe97
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Dec 20, 2006 (5:03 pm)
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What's interesting is that the government has recently mandated the use of crash test scores on display of each car sold. The scores would, of course, come from NHTSA, and actually boasts well for Hyundai, specifically the Sonata, one of the few vehicles actually archiving 5/5/5/5.
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Re: Crash Test Scores [joe97]
by backy
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Dec 20, 2006 (7:08 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Dec 20, 2006 5:03 pm)
And I wonder if that encourages automakers to design cars that do well on the NHTSA tests and not necessarily as well on the tougher IIHS tests.
Anyway, wrt low-end sedans, we'll have another one available very soon: the Versa. I suppose its IIHS frontal and rear crash test scores will be the same as the hatchback's (since the fronts are the same and they don't actually test the car in the rear test), but I wonder if the side test will be redone? Maybe they will also run the frontal test too, if there's a significant weight difference from the hatchback.
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Re: Crash Test Scores [backy]
by w9cw
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Dec 20, 2006 (7:32 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 20, 2006 7:08 pm)
Backy - Yes, the Sonata GLS would fit into this thread, as it can be had for less than $16K, including the rebates before TTL.
I really don't know why all of this sniping occurs here on Edmunds' forums. Everyone has their own opinion of course, but statistics are only statistics. It makes me wonder how I am still alive driving my 1985 SAAB 900 for 22 years without airbags, ABS, VSC, and all the other safety goodies on cars today. Heck, my wife and I were T-boned by a large '70s vintage Pontiac sedan when driving an old MG Magnette sedan in the early '70s, and we both walked away without any injuries. The same couldn't be said of those in the Pontiac - strange isn't it. The facts are it mostly comes down to the driver's skill (something quite lacking with many drivers today) - and, luck.
In a jocular tongue-and-cheek mode, German cars are some of the safest cars on the road. Why? Because in the long term, they spend more time in the shop, than on the road. I'm sorry, I just had to say that!
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Re: Crash Test Scores [w9cw]
by backy
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Dec 20, 2006 (7:51 pm)
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Replying to: w9cw (Dec 20, 2006 7:32 pm)
Technically I think the discussion is for cars that list for under $16k, but some people looking at cars in this class cross-shop in the next size class up if the price is right. I know I do.
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