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Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan
#3561 of 3871 Re: Accent and Rio - crash tests [alpha01]
May 26, 2006 (11:18 am)
I don't need to disclaim anything since you stepped right up and did it for me. Thanks.
As for the Accent managing "only" 4 stars for frontal side impact with side bags, note that is as good or better than 2006 MY cars tested with SABs such as:
Acura RSX and TL
Cadillac CTS and DTS
Honda Accord and Civic
Jaguar S-Type and X-Type
Kia Optima, Rio, and Spectra
VW Golf (2 dr.)
#3562 of 3871 Re: Accent and Rio - crash tests [germancarfan1]
May 26, 2006 (11:24 am)
I have no specific brand loyalty. (Maybe if I did have one, my handle would be something like "hyundaicarfan1"). I've owned lots of brands. The Fit is at the top of my list right now for my next new car. But I don't consider the Accent to be a poorly designed POS, so when someone else says it is, I will disagree. I have examined the Accent closely on at least four occasions and have taken it on a long test drive. To me, the Accent seems like a solid, quiet, quality little car. I've read many reviews on the Accent and I haven't seen one yet that disagrees with my opinion. You don't agree, and that's fine. But I will call 'em as I see 'em.
If you think that I believe Hyundai can do no wrong, you haven't been around Town Hall very long.
#3563 of 3871 Re: Accent and Rio - crash tests [backy]
May 26, 2006 (11:46 am)
Ahh, details. You misquote me. I stated in post 3556 "only 4/3 stars for driver and rear passenger". I never explictly stated ONLY 4 stars for driver, I took issue with the performance of both tested passengers, as I am aware that many vehicles have scored 4/4, which isnt bad at all. 3 stars... gives pause for concern.
Go back over your list and whittle it down to vehicles, with side protection that only mangaged 4/3. Suddenly, your list shrinks. Significantly.
And since the side impact scores are directly comparable across weight classes, I'll also go as far to say that the Accent's disappointing performance is not only worse that its predecessor's, is also among the very worst of ALL vehicles tested with supplemental side airbags, whether optional or standard.
#3564 of 3871 Re: Accent and Rio - crash tests [germancarfan1]
May 26, 2006 (1:05 pm)
I'm suprised by your friends's car. The 2002 Accent received some of the lowest scores from any car in recent years. http://www.safercar.gov/NCAP/Cars/1858.html
Don't be surprised. Its a real world scenario. Maybe the NHTSA tests are more harsh and stringent. All I care about is that all the passengers got out unscathed and that little POS did its job... even with the right rear door open before impact.
#3566 of 3871 Re: Accent and Rio - crash tests [alpha01]
May 26, 2006 (1:19 pm)
I am kind of surprised you are so concerned about the NHTSA scores. I got the impression that you didn't put much stake in them, based on earlier posts, and you favor the IIHS tests because they include head injury in their scores and the NHTSA does not. For example, the Accent got only 3 stars on the NHTSA rear side impact test, while the Maxima got 4 stars, but the head injury score on the Maxima was almost twice that of the Accent. Am I incorrect on your opinion there? Do you feel the NHTSA crash tests are valuable now?
I agree a 3 on a side impact test is not good. But there is reason for hope. Note that some of the cars that have good IIHS crash test results didn't do much better than the Accent on the NHTSA side impact crash tests. For example, the Subaru Impreza wagon and Saab 9-2X (really the same car) are IIHS "Gold" picks and got a top score on the side impact crash test despite the 4/4 result in the NHTSA testing. Their NHTSA head injury scores were higher than those on the Accent on the rear crash, 613 to 439. So I would like to see the IIHS tests on the Accent before I strike it off my "potentials" list.
Anyway, I think you are incorrect that the Accent's NHTSA performance is worse than its predecessor's. The 2005 Accent 4-door got 4/4/5/4. The 2006 got 5/5/4/3. That looks like a tie to me, with the '05 doing one star better in each side test and the '06 doing one star better on the two frontal tests.
#3567 of 3871 Re: Accent and Rio - crash tests [germancarfan1]
May 26, 2006 (1:37 pm)
Let's hold on a sec and wait for all tests are done and then compare. Keep in mind rear seat (per recent discussions) tests for the subcompact class are still TBD for other subcompact such as Yaris, Fit, and Versa. In my opinion, Accent's 5/5/4/3 score is adequate.
germancarfan1, as mentioned earlier, it's a moot point to speculate Accent's rear seat rating without SAB - NHTSA and IIHS tests cars with standard equipment. If you want poor rating, the upcoming 2007 Aveo has been rated by the Europeans 1 1/2 star.
#3568 of 3871 Re: Accent and Rio - crash tests [backy]
May 27, 2006 (11:13 am)
I am not concerned about the NHTSA scores, you're right, I place much more value on the IIHS tests.
I just feel you are misrepresenting the facts, which is why I bring up points like disclaiming the difference between comparing vehicles of different weight classes in frontal and side impacts; as stated with frontal you can't directly do so, but in side impacts you can. Also, I felt it important note that many vehicles that achieved similar ratings to the Accent were tested WITHOUT side airbags, so the "Star" ratings for those could potentially improve.
It's not that I'm not hopeful regarding the Accent's side impact test by the IIHS, whenever that occurs. But a 4/3 isn't a great baseline; you make the comparison between the Impreza and 9-2X... scores of both 613 and 439 are easily survivable, clearly the questions for the Accent is how thoracic injury will be mitigated, which is after all, why the Accent received a 3 since, as noted, the Accent did well in HIC for the rear passenger. That said, Hyundai has yet to field an entry that IIHS rates as "Good" in the side impact.
Again, please consider the context of my statements. The new Accent's NHTSA SIDE IMPACT, as MEASURED BY NHTSA is worse than it's predecessors. This is not arguable; both driver and rear passenger fell by an entire star. I did not make the statement "worse than predecessor's" in relation to the frontal test, because- hello- its not true.
May 27, 2006 (11:39 am)
and nitpicking tiny crash-test results basically puts one in a position to be a crash-test nerd in which the dreaded accident may never occur. If one does, the angle might be such that a "bad" accident in which injuries might occur may not ever happen. Too many hairs split here and too little interest in the desired "fear" results. If agonizing over what might happen is tantalizing or brain-engaging, well, have at it.
The customers lost from these crash test results are negligable, IMO, but one can agonize all they want to, I spose.
#3570 of 3871 Re: Accent and Rio - crash tests [alpha01]
May 27, 2006 (12:49 pm)
Misrepresenting facts and fogetting to mention facts are very different things. I already did the mea culpa on forgetting to mention in my post that frontal crashes (which aren't the main subject of this thread anyway) aren't directly comparable outside of weight class. (I have mentioned that before on other posts on the subject of crash tests.) If you want to keep bringing my mistake up because it makes you feel good, be my guest.
It would help if you are clear in your statements, because you didn't differentiate between frontal and side crashes when you said the Accent was worse than its predecessor. Since you were discussing both frontal and side tests, I thought you meant worse overall.
Anyway, I am not the only one who makes mistakes so maybe you would like to cut others who do some slack. Hyundai does have an entry that the IIHS rates "Good" in side impact. In fact, it rates "Good" in all three crash categories and is an IIHS "Gold" (best) pick. I won't beat you up over this mistake, but if you want to go check out the IIHS web site to find out which Hyundai this is and learn more about its excellent IIHS results, go right ahead.