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#3469 of 3820 Re: Edmunds' test [giantkiller] by backy Apr 09, 2006 (7:25 pm)
Replying to: giantkiller (Apr 09, 2006 7:12 pm) For $2 grand less than the price of our test car, you could get a similarly equipped Hyundai Accent with a better warranty, an equally spacious interior and decent cupholders.   Gee, that seems awfully familiar... But it can't be, because I am supposedly totally biased towards Hyundais and not a professional reviewer like the folks at Edmunds.com, so they couldn't possibly have reached the same conclusion on the Yaris that I did.   Still waiting for your comparo of the Yaris vs. the Accent. Replies to this message: giantkiller (Apr 09, 2006 8:16 pm) backy (Apr 10, 2006 7:22 pm) tenpin288 (Apr 11, 2006 4:23 am) ronald711 (May 17, 2006 8:04 pm)
#3470 of 3820 Re: Edmunds' test [backy] by giantkiller Apr 09, 2006 (8:16 pm)
Replying to: backy (Apr 09, 2006 7:25 pm) Hey Back, I got a lot of things going on for tonight but I'll have it for tommorow. For the meantime eat your hearts out while the Yaris burns the sales chart against the Accent. Here is a preview, The Accent is not bad, I'm really impressed. But, is it superior to the Yaris? I dont think so. One thing you can count about my review is that I wont be subjective. The review wont be about me, it'll be about the cars. Replies to this message: backy (Apr 10, 2006 7:22 pm) tenpin288 (Apr 11, 2006 4:23 am) ronald711 (May 17, 2006 8:04 pm)
#3471 of 3820 Car Differences by ross14 Apr 10, 2006 (5:36 am)
In 2001, on same day, test drove the Accord, Camry, & the Altima. Each was different; each was acceptable. Now to buy. Honda dealer wasn't "Dealing". Toyota Millenium was so busy, salesmen couldn't find a table to sell. Took the Camry at a marvelous discount. I'll take the Accent/Yaris/Corolla/Fit/Rio that has a dealer that lowers the price anyway possible. In NYC, we will see who is looking for volume sales after the Easter Auto show.
#3472 of 3820 Regional package causing problem with my purchase by ronald711 Apr 10, 2006 (5:03 pm)
Replying to: ronald711 (Apr 07, 2006 10:38 pm) Well I went to purchase my Yaris, the package I want is the base Sedan with power package in flint mica with security. they gave me what I wanted for my trade, and was willing to pay MSRP for the vehicle per Edmunds. but then I found out when I asked how they were bringing the vehicle in from another dealership in another region they said driving it, and I said I woudl not honor that, cause they said it would accrue about 400 miles of highway driving. I asked if they would lock in a trade value with me and order one to come to the dealer, they declined. It sounds like my options are only to drive up to the Chicago region, when I know a dealer is getting the packaging the way I want it and start a fresh deal then. take backroads home and break it in that way. Its said that the packaging is limiting the ability to get the car at a better price then with the packaging offered locally. Dealer said they would order it my way with a $500 non refundable deposit but would evaluate my trade once it comes in, my thought they will undercut me at that time and pocket my $500 and they will be happy.
#3473 of 3820 Re: Edmunds' test [giantkiller] by backy Apr 10, 2006 (7:22 pm)
Replying to: giantkiller (Apr 09, 2006 8:16 pm) I look forward to your review, when you get a chance to write it.   BTW, in your preview, you didn't say anything useful about the cars but did state three opinions--which are subjective. Replies to this message: tenpin288 (Apr 11, 2006 4:23 am) ronald711 (May 17, 2006 8:04 pm)
#3474 of 3820 The one thing I will say about the edmunds.com review of the Yaris by alpha01 Apr 10, 2006 (7:24 pm)
Is that it continues a long line of disjointed reviews of vehicles. Edmudns.com practically gushed over the Yaris in December during their First Drive. Apparently, Toyota redesigned the vehicle in between then and now. As for the comparos, yea, I'm a Toyota fan and the Camry won that comparo.... I didnt really take contention with the report, as basically it was the edmunds.com version of a test that Car and Driver did for the Dec 05 (though I thought Car and Driver's scoring to be better explained and more logical). I still view this site as a great repository for info, but the actual vehicle test and corresponding journalism... leave a good deal to be desired.   ~alpha Replies to this message: backy (Apr 11, 2006 4:40 am)
#3475 of 3820 ronald711... by iluvmysephia1 Apr 10, 2006 (8:15 pm)
I look forward to seeing what happens with your Yaris base sedan. The two I am looking at are both 2007 Toyota Yaris base sedans, both in 5-speed form and Power Packages. The question I will have when test driving is this: the one in Barcelona Red paint job includes a "Northwest" dealer prep.package that runs $500. The sticker on that one(I won't bother detailing everything it does and does not have on it)comes to $14,589. BTW-it has the airbag option that includes rear side curtain and front-seat mounted side and side curtain airbags, a nice thing to have installed from the get-go.   Along comes this one in Nautical Blue, a very dark blue metallic paint job that looks very good to me, it comes in just a few days ago and they have yet to post it up on their website as a Yaris that they have for sale now. Obviously it is, though, because it's on their lot with the sticker on the window. This one has the Power Package, stereo, airbags, etc., like the Barcelona Red one but this blue one doesn't add the NW Protection package of $500. It's sticker price is $14,080. Wow, $500 less. As soon as I find a salesman to talk about the Yarii with I'm gonna ask them what gives there? Will they knock the $500 NW Protection Package price off the red one and sell it to me for the $14,080 the blue one costs? How do I really know that they did anything to the red Yaris sedan that should cost $500 more?   Oh, I'm gonna have to watch the tracking on the Yaris steering. According to C&D the steering is too sensitive, the new electronic-assist steering overdoes it to the point that the lightweight sedan(the Yaris sedan only weighs 2,377 lbs.)is not able to track on the freeway properly. They say that over 55mph you will want to have two hands constantly on the wheel. I'll want to "feel" that one for myself. Also, evidently the seat doesn't properly support your full thigh. Reminds me of the 2006 Hyundai Sonata problem. One that I wonder if Hyundai has taken care of yet. Or retro-fitted a TSB fix or something.   Anyhoo-go check out that Honda Fit if it interests you. I don't like it's styling much so I won't pursue it. C&D raves on and on about what a great rig the Fit is.
#3476 of 3820 Re: Edmunds' test [backy] by tenpin288 Apr 11, 2006 (4:23 am)
Replying to: backy (Apr 10, 2006 7:22 pm) If you can get your hands on the current issue of Autoweek, they have something about the Fit, Versa, and Yaris. Long story short, they are impressed by the Fit, don't have much to say yet on the Versa as it was only a preview, and the 3 drivers that tested the Yaris for a week in the Driver's Log were somewhat less than impressed. In fact they were 2 to 1 that there are better buys for your money than the Yaris. The same info should be on their website next week.
#3477 of 3820 Re: The one thing I will say about the edmunds.com review of the Yaris [alpha01] by backy Apr 11, 2006 (4:40 am)
Replying to: alpha01 (Apr 10, 2006 7:24 pm) alpha, what are your driving impressions of the Yaris and its competitors like the Accent? Do you prefer the Yaris?
#3478 of 3820 I have not driven the Yaris or Accent by alpha01 Apr 11, 2006 (7:52 am)
However, I continue to applaud Hyundai's excellent recent offerings, and the Accent is not an exception. I enjoyed your review, backy, because I thought it took the vehicles into account for what they are- small, commuter cars. What I mean by this is that Car and Driver dinged the Accent and Reno, and less so, the Yaris, for body roll and less than sporting handling. Yes, I'm used to this from C/D, but there comes a point in which professionals should disassociate their priorties from the journalism, and take into account more of what the buyers of the group of cars is going to look after. Certainly an idealistic view, and sorry for the rant... getting back.   I am impressed by the Accent. I am not impressed with Hyundai's decision to decontent next year and make ABS optional, just as I am disappointed that neither ABS or Side Curtains are standard on the Yaris. Most of what I don't like about the Yaris has to do with price- the way I've configured them, the Yaris is about $800 more than a comparably equipped Accent at MSRP. In my opinion, the "S" Yaris is a terrible marketing choice for Toyota, at least at its ridiculous premium over the base Sedan. So many reviews now have stated that the Yaris is overpriced, thats going to quickly become perception. The reality is that a similar base sedan is not disporportionately more expensive than Toyotas have been vs. Hyundais in the past.   The issue now is that Hyundais of the past left much to be desired, the new ones do not.   Not having driven the Yaris, on paper if I had the extra cash I'd take it on the following: 1) Stronger Motor (in terms of actual acceleration) 2) Better Manual Trans 4) Better Real World MPG 3) Personal Preference- Styling. I'd say I like the Yaris' instrumentation better, but the placement leaves much to be desired. Toyota is foolhardy to continue placing guages on the center stack when consumers and critics alike (in this country) have voiced discontent.   The distinct advantages likely in resale and MPG would offset the price difference, but theres no way in hell I would buy the overpriced "S" model.   Honestly, both the Versa and Fit interest me more. Having obviously not driven both, from what I've read, both are very appealing. Unfortunately, I find the sedan and hatch versions of the Versa so unattractive, I don't know if I could buy them.   Thanks for asking my opinion, I appreciated yours.   ~alpha Replies to this message: backy (Apr 11, 2006 8:09 am)

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