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#3389 of 3820 I agree by nippononly Feb 23, 2006 (11:05 am)
another thing that makes a used car hard to sell is a lack of A/C. For this and other reasons, I think manufacturers that still make it optional are making a mistake. I think Toyota was wise to make A/C standard on even the cheapest Yaris, and Hyundai is making a mistake not to make it standard on the new Accent.   It's kind of funny actually: the A/C is standard on the upcoming $11K base Yaris, but NOT on the $15K base Tacoma short cab! Of course, Toyota builds every Tacoma with the "optional" A/C to get around that problem. Replies to this message: mwqa (Feb 23, 2006 12:42 pm)
#3390 of 3820 Re: I agree [nippononly] by mwqa Feb 23, 2006 (12:42 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Feb 23, 2006 11:05 am) I'm reluctant to buy AC because I look at it as being environmentally quite nasty.
#3391 of 3820 and by nippononly Feb 23, 2006 (1:25 pm)
up north you may need it less anyway, eh?   In most of the U.S., it is very useful for either cooling (the southern half) or for defogging (all the areas that get really humid in the summer - Midwest, eastern seaboard).   Anyway, the environmental angle is an important one, but they did go to the non-ozone-damaging refrigerant (R134) more than a decade ago now... Replies to this message: mwqa (Feb 23, 2006 2:25 pm) mwqa (Feb 23, 2006 3:07 pm)
#3392 of 3820 Re: and [nippononly] by mwqa Feb 23, 2006 (2:25 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Feb 23, 2006 1:25 pm) We need AC perhaps 3 weeks a year and most of the people I've asked mention the defogging as the main advantage   R134? Oh, yes...the deadly carcinogen. Not a win-win situation for anyone.
#3393 of 3820 Re: and [nippononly] by mwqa Feb 23, 2006 (3:07 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Feb 23, 2006 1:25 pm) I apologise if I sound a bit sanctimonious in my last post. I do have paper towels in the house and I will probably end up with AC anyway
#3394 of 3820 no prob by nippononly Feb 23, 2006 (3:58 pm)
I am of an environmental bent myself, and the unfortunate thing about cars is, we only consider the environmental impact we see, when in fact more than half the energy our car will consume in its entire life is burned up building it, and believe me, the chemicals they use to build and especially PAINT a car are far from harmless!   So the amount of cancer-causing R134a we might leak into the air over the life of the car might be as nothing compared to all the pollution that went into building the darn thing, with or without A/C!   The only way to satisfy those concerns is to never buy a car again, because even if you buy used, your purchase has probably spurred someone else to buy new, which causes the same damage as if you had bought new yourself. It's a conundrum.   But I placate my conscience by buying the car with the best gas mileage on the market. Last year, that was the Echo, excepting hybrids (millions of poisonous batteries into the waste stream) and diesels (particulate crap into the air, not to mention extremely high NOx emissions). At least I can keep greenhouse emissions from my transport to a minimum.   It looks like for MY 2007, the Yaris will hang onto that prize (highest FE in a straight gas car) for Toyota. Replies to this message: mwqa (Feb 24, 2006 5:36 am) reddroverr (Feb 24, 2006 3:58 pm)
#3395 of 3820 Re: no prob [nippononly] by mwqa Feb 24, 2006 (5:36 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Feb 23, 2006 3:58 pm) I am also attracted to the Yaris because of it's lower emissions and high fuel economy. I don't know how the Versa is rated, but it's disappointing that the Fit has higher emissions. LEV2 according to the specs vs. ULEV2 for the Yaris.   In fact, low emissions is one of the Yaris' main selling points. It compensates somewhat for the disappointing rear headroom, and lack of flat folding rear seats in the base trim. Replies to this message: reddroverr (Feb 24, 2006 3:58 pm)
#3396 of 3820 Re: no prob [mwqa] by reddroverr Feb 24, 2006 (3:58 pm)
Replying to: mwqa (Feb 24, 2006 5:36 am) Check this out.   http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060222/tc_nm/autos_honda_hybrid_dc
#3397 of 3820 Love my 2000 Accent/4 dr/automatic by good4u Feb 24, 2006 (5:36 pm)
I haven't had any regrets in buying my 2000 Accent with 45K from a local small dealership in May of '04. Paid $4500. It now has 70K, and not one problem. It runs great and has a ton of room for a small car. The only thing I did to it was install a CD player. The overdrive is AWESOME, too! It really saves on gas. This car is so much better than our piece of garbage Plymouth Voyager we bought brand new in 1998.... that is the family vehicle, and it's a lemon!! Hyundai makes reliable cars! I hope this is helpful for all of you buying a cheap, used car. You get more for the money, and save on gas! The only thing I would change would be Power windows/locks, but those are luxuries. It's a reliable and quiet vehicle whether going 25 MPH or 75 MPH! Great car, and surprisingly, it's a tough cookie! My co-worker accidentally rammed into it with her Blazer. Not one single scratch on my Accent. Her bumper fell off, and she had dents. She pushed my Accent back 4 feet, too! Things bounce off of it! (although I can't guarentee EVERYTHING will bounce off of it, don't try that on a daily basis!) Anyway, looking for a small car that has a good turning radius, excellent foot room, and top-notch gas mileage? (oh, did I mention it's INEXPENSIVE?) GET THE ACCENT! You won't be sorry. I wasn't. I think next time I'll get an Elantra, which is one size larger. But, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE MY ACCENT! Just take good care of yours, and you'll love it too! Hyundai----- YOU GUYS SURE DO KNOW HOW TO MAKE A LONG-LASTING COMPACT CAR! They make American automakers look like trash. Replies to this message: nippononly (Feb 24, 2006 9:12 pm) good4u (Feb 26, 2006 7:37 am) mwqa (Feb 26, 2006 9:13 am)
#3398 of 3820 Re: Love my 2000 Accent/4 dr/automatic [good4u] by nippononly Feb 24, 2006 (9:12 pm)
Replying to: good4u (Feb 24, 2006 5:36 pm) Wow, we should put that to music! It is an accolade worthy of a Hyundai commercial!   Just kidding good4U! I am glad you like your car so much. these little cars are great, and it would be cool if more people in the U.S. started realizing that.   Any idea what mileage you are actually getting? Replies to this message: good4u (Feb 26, 2006 7:37 am)

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