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What is this discussion about? Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan

#3379 of 3820 Re: but [nippononly] by backy Feb 21, 2006 (6:31 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Feb 21, 2006 6:20 pm) Yes, the Fit will have ABS standard--as will the Accent SE. But ABS isn't standard in other competitors such as the Versa and Yaris.   Let's see if the new, improved '07 Aveo will undercut the competition, comparably equipped, by $1000s when it debuts. Keep in mind that for about $14k you can get an Accent with six airbags, ABS, power package, remote locking, heated mirrors, 110 hp CVVT engine, nicely trimmed interior, 172-watt 6-speaker CD sound system, and the long Hyundai warranty. I doubt the new Aveo will be thousands less than that with similar equipment--and it certainly won't have a comparable warranty.   P.S. A moonroof is an option in the Accent SE. It's featured in photos on the 2007 Accent site at hyundaiusa.com.
#3380 of 3820 very interesting by nippononly Feb 21, 2006 (10:29 pm)
didn't know the new Accent had an option for a moonroof....pretty rare in this segment, and a definite plus.   Reminds me - my local dealer still has more than a dozen '05 Accents hatches, most manual, a couple automatic, all base models with just A/C as an option. I wonder how low he would go on those....there is a rebate from Hyundai too.   When I said the new Aveo would undercut the others, I meant strictly in base trim. I expect it to be the only subcompact by this time next year that you can actually find on dealer lots and buy for $10K or less. Replies to this message: backy (Feb 22, 2006 6:30 am)
#3381 of 3820 Re: very interesting [nippononly] by backy Feb 22, 2006 (6:30 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Feb 21, 2006 10:29 pm) Probably so, although you may find a loss-leader Accent GS or a stripped Yaris 3-door under $10k, but those will be rare. The question is, would you want one of those stripped Aveos--no A/C, no ABS, maybe no side bags, no power windows and locks on a 4-door? I wouldn't. But then, the first 3 cars I owned were like that--in the mid-late '70s though.
#3382 of 3820 well, I tell you by nippononly Feb 22, 2006 (7:42 am)
I would want a car without a power package, even a four-door, no problem. Although I would probably buy the two-door hatch.   ABS and side bags I would gladly skip as long as the price were low low low. A/C I gotta have, and won't Hyundai make it standard on the next Accent? That is the one ace in the hole the Yaris has: A/C will be standard even on the cheapest versions. But in the Yaris, you have to go aftermarket or buy the $800 package to play your CDs - don't know what the '07 Accent has as standard sound system. I know the leftover '05s my dealer has all have a cassette player.   Now if I were going to spend more, then I like the look of the Accent SE very much, BUT I would also strongly consider a Fit for that money, and the only question would be how happy I was without the moonroof (is it the Accent SE that has the moonroof?). Replies to this message: backy (Feb 22, 2006 8:35 am)
#3383 of 3820 Re: well, I tell you [nippononly] by backy Feb 22, 2006 (8:35 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Feb 22, 2006 7:42 am) Only the Accent SE has the moonroof available. And A/C isn't standard on the Accent, except on the SE. That is one way to keep the advertised base price down. But I don't expect to see many Accents on dealer lots without A/C. At least the Accent has a very nice sound system standard--a 6-speaker, 172-watt CD system. I think the SE has a 6-CD changer available--or even standard?? I am really curious as to the price of the SE; it is really a loaded little car. Since the Accent GS starts at $11k, I am hoping the SE will stay under $14k with a stick, putting it under the price of the Fit Sport.   I won't forgo ABS and side bags on my next new car because it will belong to my daughter eventually.
#3384 of 3820 I can't wait by nippononly Feb 22, 2006 (10:26 pm)
until all these new cars are here! I want to get a personal look at them and a sense of what the pricing is and what combos are actually being built. For Honda/Toyota/Nissan that will be April to June - is that also the time window for the arrival of the '07 Accent?   If I decide to go ahead in the next year or two, it is running 60/40 buying super-basic vs buying totally loaded. If I buy super-basic, I will probably lean toward the Yaris, as I just can't imagine talking myself into an Aveo, and it sounds like the Accent might not get to super-cheap with A/C (but we will see).   If I go fully loaded, then it sounds like it will be the Fit Sport vs the Accent SE. In all of this, the Versa is the dark horse - I don't usually get into Nissans because their quality and reliability are too unpredictable, but I will certainly take a look when they finally arrive. Replies to this message: backy (Feb 23, 2006 3:37 am)
#3385 of 3820 Re: I can't wait [nippononly] by backy Feb 23, 2006 (3:37 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Feb 22, 2006 10:26 pm) If you want super-basic, remember the base Rio which doesn't even have power steering but is just over $10k I think. The Accent GS with air would be under $12k list, if they stick with the announced starting price of $11k.
#3386 of 3820 Talking About Basic... by mwqa Feb 23, 2006 (5:33 am)
...is this a doable fantasy car?   Take a stripped Canadian Fit DX (about $12,000US), add a manual sunroof, aftermarket cruise control and latched rear windows.   Is it just me? I found the driver door opening on the Rio5 a mite bit too small.
#3387 of 3820 Rio by nippononly Feb 23, 2006 (7:31 am)
I sat in the new Rio at the auto show and instantly decided against it. It has the crappiest shifter I have ever laid hands on, including some cars that were a decade old. Plus, I couldn't get the driver's seat adjusted the way I wanted it.   I really hope the new Accent doesn't use the same shifter, because that would put it out of the running, and it seems like a good deal with leather touches, fogs and moonroof, for under $15K.   As for mwqa, I like your idea! You get just what you want without paying for a bunch of stuff you don't. Me, I can't quite get over my long-standing mistrust of aftermarket sunroofs and cruise. In the 80s both were major headaches for their owners sometimes not long after they had been installed. I am sure these days they must be a lot more reliable, and less leak-prone in the case of the sunroofs.   Also, because I trade fairly frequently, I have to be mindful of resale. Cars without power packages are hard to resell (as are stick shifts), so if I have one equipped like that, I need it to be real inexpensive to start with. $13,000 or more for such a car would be more than I were willing to pay. But $10,000 for such a car would be OK. Replies to this message: mwqa (Feb 23, 2006 7:58 am)
#3388 of 3820 Re: Rio [nippononly] by mwqa Feb 23, 2006 (7:58 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Feb 23, 2006 7:31 am) I've not had any problem with my Taylor Made CONTESSA sunroof in the 10 years I've had my 1992 Mazda 323. Everything else leaks now, but not the sunroof   I am worried about aftermarket parts and would much rather get the same configuration from the dealer. However, from the way they bundle their packages, it doesn't seem that they want my business.   Resale value considerations would encourage me to get AC, too.   I trying to keep the cost of the car as low as possible because my Dad is encouraging me to buy his 3 year old Matrix at the 'trade in' price - a great deal, except that it's more car than I need.   If only the same selection of small cars was available second hand!

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