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Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan
Jan 21, 2006 (11:21 am)
a new Kia purchase, men. I have loved both of mine and, yes, I am planning on trading in our 2001 Kia Sportage 4x4 on a new 2006 Kia Rio LX sedan in a few weeks.
I don't have to trade so if a deal I like can't be made I'll just walk out and hold onto my Sportage 4x4. I will get a new college grad $400 discount and a $500 Owner's Loyalty Rebate off of the Rio LX's $13,055 price and Kia Sportage 4x4 SUV's hold their value better than Kia cars so I should get a good trade in and selling price that I will be fine with.
I'll let y'all know what I end up doing. I just want the Rio LX's 32/35 gas mileage for what looks like will be an expensive gas year for the U.S. throughout 2006. Sub-$2.00/gal ghastly may be hard to find as the year progresses.
As for buying a new Kia and being nervous about it-don't get jittery. It's well worth it-Kia's are great cars-they're not just good cars. I'm hooked.
#3370 of 3871 Re: Tachometer [steine13]
Jan 22, 2006 (1:46 pm)
Funny now that you mention it.. with all the driving I do in lots of different manuals, I dont think I've ever in my life even looked at the tach when driving. I used to in my auto camry playing with it out of boredom.
Cruise no OD
driver input no OD
but a manual.. it's all oart if being part of the vehicle, it will tell you when to shift... sound, feel, strain
#3371 of 3871 Re: Tachometer [kdhspyder]
Jan 23, 2006 (6:07 pm)
I dont think I've ever in my life even looked at the tach when driving. I used to in my auto camry playing with it out of boredom.
Some might say its easy to be bored driving a Camry. The last one I rode in was very quiet and smooth, not necessarily a bad thing...I almost went to sleep in a 40 minute ride!
#3372 of 3871 2001 hyundai reliability
Jan 24, 2006 (9:07 am)
Hope someone can help me assess a used Hyundai Accent. It's from 2001 and has 96,000 highway miles.
What kind of reliability could I expect from a 2001 model? Would it be a good first car for a teenager who's wants to travel a couple of hours away for concerts on occasion?
P.S. If this isn't the right forum for this question, please pardon the intrusion and direct me to the proper place.
#3373 of 3871 Re: 2001 hyundai reliability [usedcargal]
Jan 24, 2006 (9:26 am)
Have a trusted mechanic go over the car. Make sure it has been properly serviced (e.g. the 60k servicing was done including the timing belt, and the 90k servicing was done--these are both major and pricey). At 96k several things could be going, e.g. brakes, struts, and clutch. Check to see if there are any newer parts. It's better if it's a stick, as automatics are the most expensive thing to repair on a car.
#3374 of 3871 Re: 2001 hyundai reliability [backy]
Jan 24, 2006 (11:44 am)
All good advice from backy.
Plus go over to the "Real world trade in values" board and post the details about the car in the format available in the bottom of that page. Someone will tell you what's a good price to pay for it.
With a Hyundai, you'll be surprised at how much less the car is worth than what the books and pricing guides tell you.
#3375 of 3871 View from Chicago Auto Show
Feb 20, 2006 (11:30 am)
I took in the Chicago Auto Show last week and got a close-up look at all the under-$16k cars available now or in the near future. Here's a summary:
Accent: They had two '07 3-doors and two '06 four-doors. Both of the 3-doors were locked. The 3-door looks great, but the buttoned-down dash seems to fit the 4-door better. Driver's seat on the 4-door was very comfortable, and there is just enough room in back for two medium-sized adults. The GS 3-door would be a really great deal if it offered ABS. Dropping of ABS from the standard equipment list of the GLS for '07 is a disappointment too (although the '06s on the floor had it).
Verdict: Great improvement over the last Accent, and the 3-door should attract people on a budget who want a sporty yet economical car. But needs a lower price and/or incentives.
Aveo: The '07 sedan looks a lot more substantial than the current model--quite a chunky little car. The interior also looks good, much more upscale with metallic trim and good-looking fabric. The powertrain is the question. Also, the rep at the show told me that the 5-door is not being redesigned for '07, which is a shame. That also tells me that perhaps the '07 redesign is just a reskinning with a new interior vs. a full redesign.
Verdict: Better, but is it good enough in an increasingly tough field? And why buy this Korean car when you can get others with a 10-year warranty? Also... does anyone care? I was the only person watching the presentation on the Aveo by the nice-looking female rep (and of course I was looking at the, uh, car).
Fit: Wow, what a nice little car! Tons of interior room in a tiny package--even enough backseat room for medium-sized adults. High quality plastics and fabric for the money, starting at about $13.5k. Standard ABS and side bags/curtains, as well as A/C and power package. Available 5-speed automatic. But check out the seating position before you buy: I couldn't get comfortable, and there is some question whether there is or is not a seat height adjuster.
Verdict: Honda will sell all of these they can import, if the seat is not an issue for too many buyers.
Rio: See Accent, except the interior isn't quite as nice IMO (beefier exterior, though). Rio5 is quite a slick package, but at $16k with automatic, ABS, and power package, it bumps up against larger cars like Spectra and Elantra and is priced higher than competitors like Fit and Versa.
Sentra: The one '07 Sentra was locked up. It looked to me like they took the front end of the Maxima, the rear of the Altima, scaled it down about 4/5, and there you be. Not a bad looking car though, much more upscale and much more roomy than the current design (which debuted when Roosevelt was president, right?). Starting price is supposed to be "$15k well equipped" according to the rep--including standard 6-speed stick.
Verdict: It will be interesting to see how the new Sentra fares against the cheaper and more economical Versa.
Versa: IMO this was the most impressive car of the show, for its class. Roomy interior with a dash that looked much costlier than the $12k base price. 5-door versatility with useable room in back even with the rear seats up. Economical (38 mpg estimated overall) but more powerful than anything else in the class (except Sentra, which is technically a step up). Standard 6-speed stick, or available CVT or 4-speed slushbox. Availability of luxury options like Bluetooth. It does look a bit like a Qwest in the front, but the rear has interesting curves and angles (pointy rear doors are kind of jarring, though). And the rear seat doesn't fold flat.
Verdict: Might be the sleeper hit of small cars for '07?
Yaris: They had a 3-door and sedan, both locked. Packaging looked good for such small cars. The HVAC controls looked like cheap plastic, especially on the 3-door. Otherwise the interior of the sedan seemed accomodating for such an inexpensive car. Problem is, the sedan stickered at $14k with automatic and A/C but without amenities such as ABS, side bags/curtains, and power package. And why does Toyota think that their new cars don't need protective side strips? Do they think other people will say, "Oh, there's a new Toyota, I will be very careful that I do not hit it with my car door"? Toyota should talk with Kia or Hyundai about how to do a proper side strip.
Verdict: Neat little car, but pricing is very close to compact or even mid-sized territory. And the larger Corolla gets even better fuel economy.
(No report on the Spectra or Forenza--they are carry-overs.)
Feb 21, 2006 (8:26 am)
a strange flip-flop that Kia and Hyundai have moved up in price so much while the new entries from Honda and Nissan are looking to be the bargain-priced cars in the class. When was a new Honda ever the bargain-priced anything? Usually worth the extra dough, yes, but not usually priced for LESS dough.
The Yaris is going to face pricing problems, I agree. And I guess the Aveo is going to remain the bargain of the whole bunch.
If they had held the line on the new Accent's pricing to the increase usually anticipated with a model update, it would now be one of the leading contenders in the group, I think.
#3377 of 3871 Re: it seems [nippononly]
Feb 21, 2006 (8:52 am)
The good news for Hyundai and Kia is that they only have to drop the price of their sedan entries about $500 to match the Fit. The Rio5 is about the same price as the Fit Sport, and the Accent SE 3-door should be pretty close to the base Fit's price. But I don't think most people are ready to pay the same price for a Hyundai or Kia vs. a Honda or Toyota, so there will need to be some price cutting or incentives coming soon. Look at the '06 Sonata--there were no incentives for a few months after introduction, but then they came big-time: now $2500-3000 plus aggressive discounting.
Hyundai has already taken the first step by dropping ABS from the standard list on the GLS, which should cut the starting price by about $400, and also they dropped the alloys from the Preferred package, so that should cut a few hundred bucks off the GLS with A/C and power package and make it more competitive with the base Fit (and Rio LX for that matter), and the Versa.
Feb 21, 2006 (6:20 pm)
the Fit will have ABS and a full safety complement at the price of the base model, right?
Hyundai may have thought the public was ready for it to set prices at parity with Toyota/Honda, but I disagree. People still need to see a 10% discount. And looking at the Aveo really makes you wonder - here is a car just redesigned and built in Korea, yet it can undercut everyone else by $1000s including the other Koreans, while at the top end of its range, it can offer amenities for the same price as the top-end Fits and Accents that they don't even offer optionally (like a moonroof).