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You are in the Sedans
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Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan
#3347 of 3871 And the U.S. gets the Yaris 4-door
Jan 07, 2006 (12:09 pm)
sedan and not the 5-door "hatchwagon", right? Saying that's true, I have decided that I don't like the Yaris 4-door sedan that Toyota is shipping to America. It does the warmed-over, sporty up-tempo Corolla thing way too much to me.
As far as 2006 Kia Rio rebates go, I don't think I'd hold up and wait until March or April for them. I will see how many discounts I can score in early February and how I do at getting those will determine whether I trade or hold. I'm thinking my local Kia dealer will be in the mood to haggle in a win-win sort of manner, much like Jerry Smith Chev-Buick-Kia did for me in 1999 and 2001 back in Burlington, WA.
My local Kia dealer has a Tropical Red Rio5 in 5-speed form, a Rio LX in Sapphire Blue and a Rio LX in Silver, both in 5-speeds. I'm leaning towards the Rio LX but haven't decided for sure yet.
#3348 of 3871 Saw the Yaris today
Jan 07, 2006 (5:29 pm)
And I was surprised. They looked smaller than I was expecting, especially the 2 door (3 door?) hatch. My 6' husband got in a Rio, Accent and Yaris and was really cramped in the first 2 (they looked bigger outside). The Yaris seem to have more leg room, and while they might look smaller outside, I don't think they are smaller inside. They are certainly nicer than the Echos were, and they had 40 mpg as the EPA highway mileage. Not too bad at all.
#3349 of 3871 I couldn't wait--bought a car today
Jan 07, 2006 (6:35 pm)
But not a low-end car. Since it is going to take many months for all the new low-end cars to roll out, and there won't be crash test results or most likely major discounts on many of them (particularly Fit, Versa, and Yaris) for a long time, and my family needs another set of wheels in the next month or so, I decided to buy a "bridge" car, a 2000 Mazda 626, to tide me over for the next year or two until this market stabilizes. Hopefully by that time these new low-end cars will be selling in volume so there will be decent discounts/rebates, and we'll know how good the crash protection is. If those two things don't pan out, then I'll have some other alternatives such as the all-new '07 Elantra, the Sonata, the Mazda3 (nearing the end of its generational life span, so maybe discounts/rebates will be more plentiful), a new Sentra and Corolla, and others. Meanwhile, I'll have a lot of fun over the next year driving and sizing up all the new low-end cars. I want to take my time and make the right decision on this next new car, because I'll be driving it for 5-6 years and then will pass it on to my daughter for college.
#3350 of 3871 Re: The sound you hear... [alpha01]
Jan 08, 2006 (8:44 pm)
It sounds like the Yaris is well into Corolla pricing territory. Very similar to the the Rio/Spectra and Accent/Elantra current situation. I suppose that will be the case until the next redesign of the Corolla/Elantra/Spectra to move them further up the ladder in terms of size and price.
Personally, I'm not a huge Yaris fan (but that 3-door is awfully cute) but if I had to choose between it and a Corolla for the same price, I'd take the Yaris hands down. The fact that I despise the Corolla would be the main factor in that decision.
What about the announcement today that the Fit will start at $13k including A/C and the basics? The only obstacle for the Fit will be it's 5-door only bodystyle. Toyota is smart to go with a 3-door on the Yaris and Hyundai would be wise to get the 3-door Accent on the market ASAP. I think Toyota would do quite well with the 5-door version of the Yaris as it's better looking than the 4-door sedan, IMO.
#3351 of 3871 Re: Yaris option prices [pzev]
Jan 08, 2006 (9:13 pm)
I'm a little confused by those Yaris prices only because the Convenience Package is standard on the "S" model, so shouldn't the Power Package be cheaper for the "S" than the base?
FYI, if anyone doesn't want to search for the info, here's what the packages include-
Convenience Package- AM/FM CD w/four speakers, MP3/WMA capability and AUX jack, folding rear seat, 15-inch wheels with wheel covers and rear defroster (shocked a rear defog isn't standard)
Power Package (requires Conv Pkg)- Power windows, mirrors and locks, ABS, cruise control, upgraded interior trim, tachometer on AT cars (MT have tach standard).
Individual options (no prices)-
15" Alloy wheels
Apparently they are bundling options together and Toyota does have a history of creating "Special Value Packages" that are actually an exceptional deal for the consumer. They usually offer a lot of equipment for the price. For example, on the Corolla S the Extra Value Package costs $900 and includes cruise, power windows and locks, rear spoiler, alloy wheels.
I think the $10,950 (including A/C) Liftback model is going to be a HUGE hit! As I said in a previous post, Hyundai needs to get their Accent 3-door here ASAP!
#3352 of 3871 Re: Yaris option prices [allfiredup]
Jan 08, 2006 (10:04 pm)
A five-door Fit an obstacle? IMO that will be one of the biggest selling points of the car. It offers a lot of versatility in a small package.
Are the side bags included in any packages, or offered stand-alone?
The Accent GS and GSi are due out this spring (I think I read March someplace), so they won't trail the Yaris by much if at all.
#3353 of 3871 Re: Yaris option prices [backy]
Jan 09, 2006 (7:06 pm)
That may not have come across the way I intended. I simply meant that lack of a 4-door sedan bodystyle may limit sales. Americans aren't the most receptive to hatchback bodystyles, particularly 4-door hatchbacks so I don't think it will appeal to as many buyers as if they also offered a version with a trunk. I'm sure it will still sell well. After all, it is a Honda.
If anyone can vouch for the inherent practicality and versatility of a 5-door, it would be me. I chose the 5-door Mazda3 over its 4-door companion. I guess we'll soon know how many other buyers out there will do the same.
On that subject, it'd be very interesting to see Mazda3 sales broken down into bodystyles. I haven't been able to find anything like that, though.
Jan 10, 2006 (6:25 pm)
you pay for both packages at Toyota if one requires the other. The power package does not include the items in the convenience package, it just can't be ordered on a car WITHOUT the convenience package. I wonder personally if any dealers will order any Yaris's without anything optional. I could see people wanting an $11K Toyota that has A/C and gets 40 to the gallon. The stereo would be no big deal for someone that is planning to sub in an aftermarket stereo anyway.
Right now I am obsessing on the expense involved in getting a Yaris with a tach. Minimum price is around $14K, I would guess, and unavailable at all in the hatch, so you have to buy the sedan to get one. I gotta have a tach.
Do any of these cars besides the Fit have a standard tach in base form?
#3355 of 3871 Re: usually [nippononly]
Jan 10, 2006 (6:34 pm)
That does stink about the tach, especially one not available on the hatch. I've always wondered how much they save by not making one standard, especially cars that have a different gauge layout with and without it. It seems like it'd simplify the build process making it standard. I suppose that isn't the case, though.
I was looking at the Ford Focus last summer when it was crazy cheap due to "Family Pricing". I was never seriously considering it, but wanted to see what $12k would get me at the Ford dealer. It amazed me that most of the Focus SE sedans didn't have a tach. The only way to get it on those is to pay $475 for the "Sport Package" that include alloys, leather wrapped steering wheel and fog lamps. I even ran across one oddball that stickered over $18k, had power sunroof and the Sony Audiophile but NO tach. Crazy.
#3356 of 3871 Re: usually [nippononly]
Jan 10, 2006 (7:02 pm)
Most of them have a tach standard: Fit, Accent, Rio for sure. I can't recall if the Versa has one. I'm pretty sure the Aveo does.