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You are in the Sedans
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Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan
#2889 of 3871 The Kis Spectra is a better car than
Feb 12, 2005 (12:08 pm)
the old Sephia. So what you say? Well, IMHO, that is saying something. I enjoyed my '99 Sephia but Kia, as backy has pointed out very eloquently above, has improved the subcompact Spectra. Call it factory/knowledge sharing with Hyundai if you want(I am of the opinion that Kia handles their own engineering ship fine without Hyundai's help)but Kia is putting out a very substantial economy sedan for $13,720 with this Spectra. The 4-wheel discs and SAC along with the frontal and side airbags already installed make for a nice safety appointment from the get-go. Publication test-drivers from near and far in America are giving the 2004 1/2 and new 2005 Kia Spectra good solid driving reports.
I wouldn't regard the IIHS report as weighty enough to stop me from getting one and I would also give Kia the nod in the looks department for the new Spectra over the Hyundai Elantra's looks as well.
Has Kia watered down the looks of the new 2006 Rio too much from the concept's new unusual shape? Anybody else see that yellow '06 Rio concept on the net? As usually happens the production '06 Rio looked much tamer.
Feb 12, 2005 (12:59 pm)
Am I correct in assuming that the Rio, Sephia, and Optima are the result of Kia's own engineering? I think that without Hyundai's help, they would have disappeared from our shores. Those are three awful cars.
I'm still waiting for the first car from Kia that I think is a good buy. I have no doubt it will come, but it hasn't yet.
The new Spectra is much nicer than I ranked it, but I just don't think it's a good idea to drive a car that can't handle an accident. There's no reason to buy one when there are better and safer options out there.
#2891 of 3871 Re: iluv [muffin_man]
Feb 12, 2005 (1:35 pm)
The first Kia that is really a good buy--meaning a really good car with great features plus a great price--may be the 2006 Sportage LX, coming this summer. MSRP $15,900 very well equipped including ABS, SABs/SACs, stability control, power package, roof rack, and alloys. It's Kia's version of the Tuscon but for less money. OK, so it's not a "car" exactly. And not under $15k MSRP. But a great value I think. Next up in terms of a really good buy from Kia will be IMO the 2006 Rio, also due this year. iluv referred to it earlier. Interior room of the Corolla and Civic, 6 airbags, most power in its class from a new VVT engine, new suspension and interior, and IMO really sharp styling for the sedan. I haven't seen the production 5-door yet but the concept car was great looking. The '06 Accent will be built on the same platform. Then if that's not enough, the '06 Optima will be built on the NF Sonata platform, and that looks to be one heckofa car in performance, features, safety, and styling. Then let's not forget the all-new '06 Sedona that is bigger, lighter, and more powerful and versatile than the old Sedona. So maybe sometime this year your wish for a Kia that is a good buy will be realized.
As for the Spectra not being able to handle an accident... Kia really blew it on the IIHS frontal offset test, yes, similar to what Hyundai did with the '01 Elantra. But Hyundai made a minor change to the Elantra's seat track and now it's rated Good by the IIHS. I hope Kia management learns from this and doesn't take 3 years to do something about the Kia's test result. That one test doesn't make me think the Spectra is an unsafe car, but I personally wouldn't buy one until the problem is corrected because there are cars that are just as good (like the Elantra) available for the same or less money.
Feb 12, 2005 (8:23 pm)
i do't see much mention of the focus. it must not be a 'low ender'. i think mine is a prety good car.
#2893 of 3871 Re: i'm glad... [explorerx4]
Feb 12, 2005 (8:32 pm)
It is a low-ender. It made Edmunds' Top 10 list of low-enders. Tell us about your Focus and why you like it. What other cars did you consider before buying it?
#2894 of 3871 Re: i'm glad... [backy]
Feb 12, 2005 (9:01 pm)
The Focus is a disappointment in 2005, in my opinion. The $19K example at the Philly show had the cheapest exterior door handles Ive ever felt, really really nasty. I also think the interior redesign was a step in the wrong direction- the textures are all wrong, the materials didnt look well fitted, the blocky double DIN size radio is less integrated and no longer youthful looking, and there's still no redline on the tach. I can only imagine that people would choose this over a Mazda 3 because Ford is currently offering a $2000 rebate along with a Dell. Bleh. Time for a redesign.
Feb 12, 2005 (10:43 pm)
"Am I correct in assuming that the Rio, Sephia, and Optima are the result of Kia's own engineering? I think that without Hyundai's help, they would have disappeared from our shores. Those are three awful cars."
I've never understoody why the Optima depreciates so much faster than a Sonata since they're essentially the same car. Just recently gave my Elantra to my daughter and purchased a Malibu Maxx. Thought carefully about purchasing a (soon to be replaced) Optima/Sonata but was worried about Optima's depreciation and the local Hyundai dealer is becomming increasingly smarmy.
Not sure why the Optima is such an awful car unless you feel the Sonata is too. I realize the JD Power ratings for Sonata are better, but personally I prefer the Optima's front end styling. Probably just me, however, since Edmunds Optima board has been dead for months.
#2896 of 3871 My take on the new Spectra....
Feb 13, 2005 (7:15 am)
What would a discussion about the KIA Spectra be without a few pearls of wisdom from SpectraMan?
Here are my observations of daily life with a Spectra EX:
- Does it have quality?
After 7k hard Michigan-road miles, my Spectra EX has yet to experience any problems. The only defect to date was a 3rd brake LED that was replaced promptly. So far nothing's broken or fallen off. There are no squeaks and no rattles... even when the temps are down near 0, driving on bomb cratered-like roads.
Morning starts (even at 0 degrees) have been instantaneous followed by fast engine and interior warm-ups.
- Does it have value?
Again, let's compare real-life experiences. How many of the cars listed here will give you the following for $13,300? : Power moonroof, alloy rims, fog lights, 6-speaker CD, power windows, power heated mirrors, power locks, power trunk release, tilt wheel, cruise, rear defrost, side airbags, keyless remote, rear spoiler, matching floormats, mudflaps, rear seat heat ducting, and in my car's case hand-painted dual pinstripes?
Performance is also extremely good for a "low-end" car. Acceleration is good, the automatic transmission shifts smoothly, and the 4-wheel disc brakes stop the car on a dime. The extemely tight turning radius has also saved me a ton of grief in tight driving and parking situations. Fuel mileage is probably my biggest gripe about the car. It's not bad, but it's not class-leading either. Hopefully the newer Theta-class engines by Hyundai/KIA will fix this problem whenever they're implemented.
Read a few reviews in the Edmunds Spectra forum to learn about too-numerous-to-list-here additional features of the car.
So, to summarize, for $13,300 (pre-tax) I've got a stylish, fully featured (with features that I find important), modern compact car that has the largest interior space rating of its class and runs and rides extremely well, while exhibiting extremely good initial build quality .
Is it perfect.... of course not.
Are there other cars out there similar to it for approximately the same money? Probably.
Are there cars on this thread's list that is perceived as superior overall to the Spectra but in reality aren't. Very likely.
Final word? IMHO, to call this car an "Also Ran" is inaccurate.
#2897 of 3871 Re: My take on the new Spectra.... [spectraman]
Feb 13, 2005 (8:58 am)
My '04 Elantra GT was $13,200 + T&L and includes everything you listed except power trunk release (it's a hatchback and has a handle that's unlocked by the remote locking), mudflaps, and pinstriping (I hate pinstriping). In addition, my GT has ABS with traction control, sport suspension, trip computer, sport gauges, 8-way adjustable driver's seat, leather seating surfaces, free scheduled maintenance for 3 years, and the versatility of a hatchback. Better looking than the Spectra too IMO.
#2898 of 3871 Re: i'm glad... [backy]
Feb 13, 2005 (10:05 am)
Focus made another Top 10 list at Edmunds: Top 10 Cars With the Worst Residual Value for 2005