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Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan
#2505 of 3871 Re JD Powers
Apr 16, 2004 (4:13 am)
In the 2003 IQS awards, Prius was #1 in the Compact Car class, followed by Corolla and then (tie) Lancer and ECHO.
Here's how CR ranked the top makes for 2003 models in number of problems per 100 vehicles:
Average model 17
All others were at or below average. Ford was average, Chevrolet at 19 for other low-end car makers.
#2506 of 3871 model specific data
Apr 16, 2004 (5:36 am)
yup. getting nameplate data doesnt seem that difficult.
but i was wondering, do you have any model specific data ? or know where to get it ?
#2507 of 3871 Re: model specific data [280hp #2506]
Apr 16, 2004 (6:07 am)
CR's Annual Auto Issue (April) has model-specific reliability data going back eight years (if the models have been around that long).
Apr 16, 2004 (6:33 am)
<Im quite upset with Ford...>
Before reaching for the alka seltzler think of this. The Ford Escort was the outstanding American made low end car. The reliability was right up there with the Japanese cars. As for the Focus, although it had early recall problems, it was very highly rated as a vehicle by CR...the highest in its class in fact. I know of two Focus's that are giving great service after some initial bugs. Plus you can get one for NO INTEREST for five years and itll be less than $15k. If I had to buy a new car today the Focus would probably be it because of that.
#2509 of 3871 Re Escort
Apr 16, 2004 (6:42 am)
The reliability was right up there with the Japanese cars.
I wonder if that was due at least in part because the design was based on the Mazda Protege.
I think the Focus is a nice small car, with an uncomfortable driving position (for me) and a price that's more than some competing cars the only real drawbacks. But I think I'm poisoned on Ford because of my bad experience with reliability on my '95 Mistake (er, Mystique) and the early history on the Focus. Once burned, it's hard to go back again--I know Hyundai found out how past reliability problems are hard to overcome in the minds of buyers.
#2510 of 3871 past reliability problems - hyundai
Apr 16, 2004 (8:08 am)
which is why its really important that they keep prices low, and also, start delivering dependable cars, that dont fall apart after 3 to 5 years of abuse.
if they do, then in a decade of so, we'll all be impressed by the number of old hyundais on our roads, and they can then sell on reputation, like the japanese now, and the germans 20 years ago.
of course if they dont they'll b another daewoo or kia, run out of money 2 pay thier suppliers and technical partners, and eventually b taken over by them.
say, didnt hyundai semiconducter/hynix fold up recently ? and r the 2 hyundais related ?
#2511 of 3871 Re semiconductors
Apr 16, 2004 (8:47 am)
I don't know--but I know it has nothing to do with low-end cars.
Apr 16, 2004 (9:49 am)
Hyundai is a huge conglomerate company with many different branches. Hyundai Motors is tied to the conglomerate but they are a separate entity. Ever heard of Hyundai in the shipping business? They have one of the largest shipbuilding facilities in the world. Hyundai is very similar to Subaru in that Subaru is simply a small portion of a large conglomerate called Fuji Industries.
#2513 of 3871 relevance
Apr 16, 2004 (4:05 pm)
well, i guess my concern is spare parts and warranty.
that is if the conglomorate/chaebol had 2 divest 1 division/subsidiary, will they do so with others ?
i think daewoo is also a ship bulider. but since the divestment of thier motor division, what happened 2 those who bought daewoo ? i assume chevy stand by their warranties and stocks their spare parts.
also, if im not mistaken, samsung also wanted 2 get into the car business. but their venture may have folded b4 it even started and their technical partner nissan, had 2 buy them out, after they failed 2 pay bills, like kia and daewoo.
of course, nissan literally had 2 sell their hq and b saved by the french, after that.
but iinm, samsung still have a truck division.
#2514 of 3871 Re relevance
Apr 16, 2004 (4:33 pm)
Oh good, some more "It's a Korean car company, it must be going under!" stuff. It's been a long time since I saw posts like these in Town Hall. But this is not "News & Views", it's about the cars. May I suggest if you want to talk about the future of Hyundai as a car company, you start up a board for that purpose? ("Hyundai: is it long for this world?" or something like that.) Meanwhile, Hyundai the car company is doing quite well, thank you. Its cars are improving in quality and reliability each year. Its sales are climbing. (GM just cut auto production; hmm, maybe they are going under!) Their U.S. factory is opening soon. IMO opinion these do not look like signs of a company that is going under.
So, which of the low-end Hyundais do you like better, the Accent or Elantra?