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Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan
Apr 12, 2004 (11:15 am)
The Accent is a very solid reliable little car. Part of the reason is its simplistic design. I bought a 2000 Accent new (a first year design) and only encountered 3 problems and no recalls. 2 of the problems were fixed under warranty but the 3rd (an intermittent rare failure of the horn) seems to be an electrical mystery. My water pump bearing was making noise so the pump was replaced at 15k. Hyundai was smart in keeping the pump an external component driven by an accessory belt so the engine didn't have to be ripped apart and the timing belt wasn't touched. The throwout release bearing was making noise when the clutch pedal was up almost since new. It just got progressively louder. I was honestly being real anal about the noise since it was my first new car. Most people could barely hear it. At 21k, the dealer admitted to hearing the noise and replaced not only the bearing but also the pressure plate and clutch disc free of charge! I considered this good service since no clutch is covered under warranty past 12k. I sold the car after 2.5 years and 25k miles. It served me extremely well and never left me stranded. It also never drank a drop of oil or leaked anything, and build quality was quite solid (only 2 squeaks cropped up and they weren't loud). The only things that annoyed me about the car was the notchy shifter and the slow accleration with the AC on (this should be better now that the 1.5 has been dropped for a much better 1.6).
I sold it to a good friend so I have been able to keep tabs on its progress. After leaving me, its actually been even better. The battery failed at 35k (this car was mainly driven in the city so more short trips were involved). The front brake pads were replaced at 40k. Other then that, nothing has needed repair. I recently drove the car and it felt just as solid as the day I bought it. I actually still enjoy driving it even though I have moved up to a 2003 Hyundai Tiburon GT V6. The Accent is just so fun to fling around due to its light weight and good handling and steering. It has a spunky personality that brings a smile to my face. I highly recommend this car to anyone who needs good basic reliable transportation.
By the way, my Tiburon has been flawless so far. 11k and not one single trip to the dealer for anything. I have 1 minor recall that needs to be performed, but otherwise, it's been a great car. Hyundai has impressed me with their good build quality, especially on first year models (the 03 Tib is a first year model too).
#2471 of 3871 Saturn Ion, Hyundai Accent
Apr 12, 2004 (2:48 pm)
One of the problems with the Ion is the arrangement of the instrument cluster. All gauges, including speedo, are located in the center of the dash, instead of in front of the driver. Just to see how fast you're going you have to take your eyes off the road, which is unsafe. Lot's of folks don't accept this compromise, especially when there are better choices around at similar or lower prices.
The Accent is a pretty good car at a great price. I've driven several as rentals and always came away favorably impressed. The interior features and finish are a pleasant surprise in this class of autos.
#2472 of 3871 muffin man...I believe you're speaking of the
Apr 12, 2004 (9:03 pm)
Nissan Micra. I have read a few reports on it coming to the UK and them being excited about it. Also, American Nissan dealers would LOVE to have it on their lots now. They're kinda light in the small car compartment, the Z-car isn't in this class and the Sentra is, umm, somewhat lacking if all the feedback I hear is correct. The Sentra would qualify as a Low-End vehicle for under $15,000, wouldn't it? How come no one ever reports on one of them in here? Anyhoo, the Micra is evidently on it's way over to America eventually. It does have an appealing look to it. We'll have to post a link to a photo of one if somebody needs to see it for the first time out there.
Apr 12, 2004 (9:37 pm)
Iluv, I believe the Micra is a Mazda product and not Nissan.
Apr 12, 2004 (9:43 pm)
The Nissan equivalent is actually the March, and yes, its terrific.
Apr 12, 2004 (9:44 pm)
Grape, your post reminds me of a parrot just repeating what it heard and not saying something original.
Have you sat in the Ion or any other car that has a center mounted speedo/instrument cluster?
I have sat in the Ion and I own an Echo which has a center mounted speedo/instrument cluster. I came from a car which had a traditionally situated speedo/instrument cluster and it took me very little time to get used to the center mounted arrangement. I have never felt it to be dangerous and the speedo is in my normal viewing range.
Also, with a center mounted speedo/instrument cluster, a person does not have to adjust the steering wheel so that the instruments are not obstructed.
Apr 12, 2004 (11:37 pm)
Actually, I meant the Nissan March, when I said Mazda Micra. But heck, bring them both. Let the little cars take over the road.
Apr 13, 2004 (2:56 am)
ive actually test driven one. its one of those cars with an engine so quiet at idle that you have to check the rev counter to make sure the engine is running.
interior was very ordinary, as was the ride and handling.
i thought the car had a bit better than average straight line accleration though, for a low end car.
price was > 15k.
#2478 of 3871 Re: Center mounted speedo [majorthomecho #2475]
Apr 13, 2004 (7:31 am)
I've driven several vehicles with center-mounted speedos: ECHO, ION, and Quest among them. Personally I don't like that location, maybe because it seems unnatural after 30+ years of driving, maybe because I don't have sight in my right eye. I think I could get used to it if I had to, but so far I haven't found a car that I just had to have that has a center-mounted speedo. I am not convinced that arrangement is "better" than the traditional arrangement, except of course to lower costs for the automaker.
Apr 13, 2004 (8:22 am)
I left my Protege overnight to have some squeeks and rattles removed (fingers crossed so tightly they hurt), and my rental is a brand-new 2004 Sentra 1.8S.
The Sentra is about as roomy as the Protege, has more expensive-looking plastics on the dash, but in a weird-looking design that I don't care for. The seats are nice and firm, but the fabric feels cheap, though durable. My favorite interior feature is an AUX input for the stereo, allowing the very easy connection of an MP3 player.
The back seat has less leg room than the Protege, but is about the same in every other dimension.
What I like about the Sentra is the ride. It is much quieter than the Protege. Sure, I didn't buy the Protege for luxury and I enjoy the exhaust note, but the Sentra has almost no wind noise, which I can't say about the Pro.
While the ride is smoother, it lacks the Protege's precision. The car was designed to feel like a larger car, and it does every time it leans, oozes and floats around a corner. Competent, but not entertaining is how I would describe the handling.
Finally it feels slow compared to the Protege, though it is probably just as quick only the feeling is muted by the quiet interior.
In the end, the Sentra is a rather nice economy car, and at least EPA gets MUCH better fuel economy from it than they do from the Protege, but I can't wait for my car to be home.