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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan
#1904 of 3871 But the main reason few people buy an ECHO is...
Jun 14, 2002 (6:32 pm)
Not styling (although that reduces the number of potential buyers). Here's the main reason I think few people buy an ECHO these days:
2003 Corolla CE 4-door 5-speed: $13,855 MSRP
2002 ECHO 4-door 5-speed, equipped as close as I could get to the Corolla without adding extra stuff like cladding, but still without power mirrors, CD, and tachometer: $13,120 MSRP
So my theory goes, people go to their Toyota dealer looking for a small car. Do they choose the ECHO, or for $735 more buy a Corolla, which I think most people will agree is a lot more car?
No wonder Toyota had to create SCION--they've effectively killed off their low-end Toyota model with the new Corolla. Yes, there will be those buyers who want a bare-bones car with Toyota's reputation for dependability, and those people will be attracted to the ECHO (if they can look past the styling). People who want a Toyota with some creature comforts will jump for the Corolla, while those looking for the lowest price-per-feature will look at Hyundai/Kia.
Jun 17, 2002 (5:58 am)
The new Corolla is just the latest in a string of cars that are less expensive than the models they replace. The 96 Civic was less expensive than the 95, as the 02 was less expensive than the 01. In Toyotas, the new Camry costs less than the old, as did the 98 Corolla compared to the 97.
On the surface the new models look nicer, are larger and generally nicer going down the road, though in the Civic's case, you can feel where they saved the money (the suspension).
The Echo is near the end of its life-cycle, and so the newer (and cheaper to manufacture) model Corolla is very close in price. It was the same in 1998 when the then-new Corolla came out and was very close in price to the Tercel; the Tercel didn't sell well that year, and was replaced soon after by the Echo, which was considerably less expensive. For the 02 model year, we had prices nearly overlap between the incoming Camry and the outgoing Corolla. Its just manufacturing efficiency in the newer models, nothing more.
#1906 of 3871 RE: "The Echo is near the end of its life-cycle" by lawman1967
Jun 18, 2002 (2:28 pm)
"The new Corolla is just the latest in a string of cars that are less expensive than the models they replace.
by Andrew Fishkin.
Your premis is a load of tripe, "nothing more".
#1907 of 3871 A Pro drive
Jun 18, 2002 (7:40 pm)
Got to drive an almost-brand-new Protege LX around Hartford today. First drive with the 2.0 engine. The Pro was a runner-up in my new car search in late 2000, but lost out mostly because of the ride firmness. I did notice the LX 2.0 was noticeably peppier than the 1.6L model I last drove; not great but OK for a small 4-banger automatic. The handling was great, as always. But the ride wasn't just firm--it was downright punishing. There are some glass-smooth freeways in Hartford (and some not-so-smooth freeways), and I swear I could feel every pebble on the road. I don't remember other LXes being that harsh. I wonder if the tires were overinflated. Another thing I noticed is that the Pro has one of the few seats in this class (the Elantra being another) that is adjustable enough to provide me with adequate thigh support. I still think the Elantra's seat is a bit more comfortable, however. The new steering wheel looked great, but felt uncomfortable to grip with all those grooves on the rim. No creaks or squeaks. Still a good little car, but I can see why CR placed it down in the pack in their recent review--beyond handling and reliability, it doesn't really stand out anymore vs. the likes of the Corolla, Civic, Focus, Elantra et. al. Also, unlike mags like C/D, CR is not one to value handling over other attributes like ride comfort and quietness. Based on what Mazda has done with the 6, I can't wait to see what they come up with for the new Protege next year. Maybe they'll borrow some of the suspension bits from the Focus and give us great handling and a compliant ride.
#1908 of 3871 Suspension bits ...
Jun 19, 2002 (5:20 am)
Like the front suspension that collapses and the rear wheel bearings that self-destruct?
I hope they take Ford's ill-implemented IDEAS and implement them using Japanese QUALITY!
Jun 19, 2002 (5:56 am)
What you said about the tires being overinflated - probably true - I bought a '01 Corolla LE last year - the day after I got it home I checked the air pressure - the tires were at 44 PSI (should be about 30) - I love the styling of the Protege - but I ended up with my Corolla, one of the reasons being gas mileage - I did not look at the Elantra - I guess I had eliminated it because the gas mileage was not what I was looking for - anyway, I happy with my choice
#1910 of 3871 Mazda quality
Jun 19, 2002 (5:20 pm)
Yes, that's my hope is that the infusion from Ford into Mazda will not dilute the quality of the brand. Still, I think Mazda could learn from Ford on ride compliance--with proper execution, of course. And maybe Mazda can teach Ford a thing or two about quality.
Jun 22, 2002 (3:29 pm)
Came across a cool title that is now up for grabs and would be suitable for this board. The title is Compact Car Wars. Would fit the type of vehicle and would also be appropriate due to some of the "battles" we have had in here.
BTW, I will respond to the majority rules comment someone said, but I have to go back and find it.
#1912 of 3871 Mr.major-I like the Compact Car Wars title better....
Jun 23, 2002 (9:39 am)
it is what goes on in here. This being one of the more spirited boards around here. Saw a picture of an Echo with body enhancements on it....somebody trying to make it a little bottle rocket...you know the types....actually looked better to me than a factory Echo.
Jun 23, 2002 (10:02 am)
Iluv agrees with me on something [name change]. Its a sign of the end of the world. ; )