Last post on Dec 30, 2011 at 9:54 AM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan
#1772 of 3871 MTE: ECHO/SPECTRA/COROLLA
May 04, 2002 (6:44 pm)
TOYOTA 2002 ECHO 1415 SEDAN 4D
RETAIL: $10585 + 485 (DESTIN) + 1020 (UPGRADE#1)=
KIA 2002 SPECTRA 24401 SEDAN 4D
RETAIL: $10995 + 495 (DESTIN) - 2000 (REBATE)=
TOYOTA 2002 COROLLA 1711 SEDAN 4D
RETAIL: $12568 + 495 (DESTIN) =
Your allegation of quoting Spectra before destin
& Echo after is not valid. I did not originally'
quote destination; however, I have now. Emperical proof, of whatever it means, but you can reproduce the results yourself. Be my guest.
May 04, 2002 (6:53 pm)
The things you ask me to do, I swear! ; ) It took me a while to get the URL, but I did it. It wasn't always like this, but when I click on the following URL, another page pops up before the first page starts loading and I have to "X" the second page to be able to see the page I want to see. The URL left in the little box on AOL is for the second page that I did not want to see.
I went back to the list of pages I have seen recently and highlighted the description for the page I wanted. The second page did not pop up so I was able to see the URL for the page I wanted.
I originally posted the URL, but after I posted this message, I clicked on the link my giving the URL generated and I got the message that the page could not be found. I then tried editing the URL and clicking on the edited version, but again it told me that the page could not be found so I have deleted the URL.
The link SHOULD have taken you to the story that appeared in USA Today about the 2001 JD Power survey results.
May 05, 2002 (5:38 am)
The Echo is still EASILY worth $3000 more than the Spectra, just as the Corolla is worth $4000 more. Wow, $13K for a Corolla, that has to be one of the best values on a new car going! Is that with AC (essential)?
May 05, 2002 (6:28 am)
I wouldn't need to ask you to do anything if you wouldn't make statements such as Korean cars being, overall, not the equal of American cars without any substantiation, then when I ask you for clarification, you base your statement on a report from JD Power on initial quality. So naturally I wanted to take a look at that report. If your rating of Korean cars vs. all others is based solely on a JD Power survey of initial quality during the first 90 days of ownership, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but to me it seems that other factors should be considered when saying which cars are better "overall." There are, for example, other recent studies (Auto Pacific's) that show Korean makes doing very well. There are reviews by sources like Edmunds.com, CR, AutoWeek, and C/D that show that Korean cars compare very well to American cars, and even to many Japanese and European cars. So can you see how someone could take all these sources, plus personal experience, together can come up with a different conclusion about overall equality of Korean and American cars?
#1776 of 3871 A Kia Over a Saturn?
May 05, 2002 (4:29 pm)
Who finances through the dealership anyways? I always take the rebate, and use my home equity line of credit, (currently 4.25% and tax deductible, making it a little over 3% tax effected).
The Saturn sounds like a great deal to me. I would take one of those long before a Kia.
#1777 of 3871 4.25 % how you get?
May 05, 2002 (5:34 pm)
The best home equity rate i could get was 7% with USAA who are generally very competitive.
May 05, 2002 (6:39 pm)
Sorry, I did not make myself clearer in my initial post, but in initial quality, Korean cars, as a whole, come in fourth behind American cars, European cars, and Japanese cars.
Happy now? ; )
#1779 of 3871 MTE: SPECTRA & FUEL MILEAGE
May 05, 2002 (6:57 pm)
When I suggested that Echo was giving 41mpg I was just using MTE shared information on your experience. And of course, 41-38=3. So I simply said Echo was getting 3mpg better that Kia Spectra at 38mpg & that I wouldn't spend an extra $3000 for the extra 3mpg. BTW 3d Spectra tank of
66/33 town & country driving yielded 27.5mpg.
May 05, 2002 (8:06 pm)
Happy? No, I'm tired and I wish my wife would come home from the hospital one of these days.
I think you were pretty clear about the standings of the JD Power survey in your earlier post, so why beat it into the ground? I can read. It just amazes me sometimes the reasoning some people use to justify their opinions. I guess that's why these forums are like a box of chocolates--you never know what you're going to get.
May 05, 2002 (10:31 pm)
u said a mouthfull...