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Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan
Jan 30, 2002 (9:53 pm)
Went to the Montreal Auto show today. Here are my impressions of the cars I saw:
2003 Corolla S: Looks nice, like a mini camry. It looks narow though. I know they increased the size of the car but I think all you get is head room extra. I had the seet back like I would usually in my Protege and my knees were touching the dash (low dash). With the seat like this, there was hardly any room in the back. So if Toyota increased room in the Corrolla, I would have hated to be in the previous Generation Corolla. I looked in the engine bay and there is tons of extra room, front and back. You figure they could have moved the engine forward a few inches to make more room in the car? I think the car was Echoized...grew taller. The interior was OK. Really like the steering wheel.
2003 Matrix/Vibe: When compared to the Corolla, this thing is enormous inside. Found it much more comfortable and very spacious. I liked the exterior styling of the Matrix more thatn the Vibe. The enterior was a toss up. Both were pretty good. I saw pricing for the Matrix for Canada....about 24000 for the topline 180 HP model. Pretty good if you ask me. You get the Celica drive train for alot less...although this is a much heavier car!
Ferarri 360 Modena F1 convertible: OK, we can all dream can't we. This car is stunning!! It was dark blue with a tan enterior. To die for! Buy far the nicest car there! It had the sequential F1 style shifting mechanism too.
Neon R/T: You know, I was a little biased towards neons becuase of their harshness,poor reliablility, and previous ugly interiors but this car looked very nice. It was quite tastfull. The enterior was very nice. It had crome ringed guages (like in the 300M) and some other nice trim on the dash. Leather seats too although low quality.
Sentra SE-R V-spec: Well, it's tiny, front and back. The gauges are very ugly. The seats aren't as bad as in the pictures but I still don't like them. The exterior...well, it still looks like a Sentra with really big wheels. Can't get rid of that droopy but!
Infiniti G35: Very good looking until you get to the back! I don't know why nissan insists on having the back of the trunks of all their cars slope forward toward the front. It really makes for a droopy but. 350Z was the same. So was the Altima. I think nissan should go take another look at a BMW 3 series rear end and try and get it right before they copy that car.
Subaru WRX: WOW. By far the most comfortable car seats I sat in today. Alot of padding on the side to hold you in place. Interior was very functional. It won't win any awards for most stylish but it is nice looking. I like the outside as well. I really don't mind the lights that much. The engine is one sweet piece of machinery. But for $35000 in Canada, I don't think it's worth it. Once they bring the Mitsu Evo here, the price will drop becuase of the competition.
Dodge Ram 1500: BIG. This truck is HUGE! It has 20 inch wheels! Must be expensive to replace.
Honda Civic SiR hatch: Very Euro when you see it from up close. The way the windshield meets the hood reminds me of small Euro hatches like the VW Lupo. I think I could get used to the dash mounted shifter.
Well, that's a short list of some of the cars I saw today and my first impressions on them. Most of this is just opinion and the most important factor of each car car is missing...how they drive. Maybe I'll get a chance to test drive them all someday...except for the Ferrari maybe:)
Jan 31, 2002 (4:11 pm)
Apology accepted and please accept mine. I must have mistaken you with someone else. (remember I've been gone awhile). Friend of mine just bought the Protege 5. Loves it. I must admit it looks nice. Seems to get great gas mileage also. He only filled it up once in January. He drives about 20 miles a day to and from work. He's keeping an Excel spreadsheet of all money he is spending on the car to get a true vehicle cost. Don't know what he's going to compare it too, but it should be interesting.
#1548 of 3871 The Pie as of 2000
Feb 08, 2002 (7:27 pm)
I saw a report today in today's Star Tribune, Newspaper of the Twin Cities, listing the top 20 automakers by worldwide sales for 2000, as researched by Automotive News Data Center. Here's the top 10:
1. GM 8.591 (in millions)
2. Ford 7.350
3. Toyota 5.703
4. VW 5.161
5. DaimlerChrysler 4.749
6. PSA Peugeot Citroen 2.878
7. Fiat 2.646
8. Hyundai 2.635
9. Nissan 2.629
10. Honda 2.540
I was surprised that Hyundai sold more cars in 2000 than Nissan, Honda, Renault, and others. It's possible that, based on Hyundai/Kia's strong sales growth in 2001, Hyundai may now be as high as #6 worldwide.
Another surprising (to me) factoid from the article: what is the biggest seller in Japan for the past eight years running? Hint: Corolla was #2.
Feb 10, 2002 (6:06 pm)
The bestselling car in Japan is: a SUSUKI?!
#1550 of 3871 Correct!
Feb 10, 2002 (7:30 pm)
The best-selling vehicle in Japan for eight years running is the Suzuki WagonR, a small minivan/wagon.
Feb 11, 2002 (11:00 pm)
Oh yeah I am soo good ^_^
Feb 12, 2002 (7:02 am)
I really dig wagons (and hatchbacks). When I bought my Galant, I would have bought a midsize Japanese wagon if such a thing was available in my price range (Legacy was just too expensive). As it was, I VERY seriously considered the compact Mazda Protege 5, Hyundai Elantra GT (I know, not Japanese and not a real wagon) and even the Suzuki Esteem, which while not highly rated in the press, is still a smart-looking little wagon. I also looked at the Saturn L-series wagon, but already having an L200 sedan (wife's car) didn't want two of the same.
Had Honda and Toyota still offered base model, 4 cylinder Accord and Camry wagons, I probably would have spend the extra (even a little past my $2,000 limit) to get one. Too bad the Subaru dealers in my area wouldn't sell me a legacy wagon for under $24,000, or a smaller Imprezza wagon for under $20,000, which is still steep for such a small (albeit excellent) car.
#1553 of 3871 let me get my flame retardent on before anybody replys to this one .
Feb 12, 2002 (2:48 pm)
i think the problem here is to many people standing behind there "brand" and not being open minded . it is kinda like politics , party politics to be exact. and party politics sucks .... be openminded ...the study says this and that study says that ... they can all be fixed to say what you want them to say . use dealer records that are from people that brought the car back for this or that and u will get a lower score than if u ask all buyers of the car . ask only the buyers that didn't bring a car in and u will get a different answer . so it all has to be taken with a grain of salt .
if you want to know about a car ask a person driving it . u would be surprised how many people getting into a car from a supermarket will stop and talk to you about there car . got to sit in my first echo that way , man the center spedo really threw me for a loop .
don't be a "party politic " person . look at each offering on its own merits . not because this mag said this or this survey said that . go see for yourself . don't get me wrong use all those as a tool but rememeber thats what they are tools , not the godspel... alll car makers have there problems american , japanese , korean . none are perfect .
ya ya ya go ahead and flame me for being the party pooper but lets face is 15k is alot of money for regular people . i don't think you can make a bad choice in any car you can get on the market today . they all seem to proform well , if they didn't they wouldn't be here . sure some give you more than others do for the same costs but that all depends on what you want to spend .
if you are wondering i drive a elantra gt and also own a 160k trouble free mile 95 accent . when i got the gt i could have gotten a car that cost more but why should i ?? i could care less what others think of my car . why spend more than i have to for a money pit . thats all a car is anyway . if it gets me where i want to go and it does so trouble free then what more can you really want ? sure i could look good(and in my mind the elantra gt does look good ) but i would rather look cheap and have money in the bank than look good and make high payments..
FLAME ON >>
#1554 of 3871 Re WagonR
Feb 12, 2002 (8:20 pm)
I don't think we in the U.S. need to waste any time wishing for a WagonR at a dealer near us anytime soon. I checked it out on the Web and, well, it's a really tiny box. I can see how it appeals to drivers in Japan, with the tight parking over there. It looks like it offers great space and utility for its size. But I can't see many U.S. drivers buying one, when we can buy a roomy compact sedan for under $10,000 or a 7-passenger minivan (Caravan/Voyager) starting at around $15,000.
#1555 of 3871 Lest we forget about Daewoo's new U.S small wagon/
Feb 12, 2002 (10:58 pm)
SUV/crossover dance called the Topanga. You heard me right, Topanga. That's the name they picked for the US version of Tacuma that's due out here in 2002. Who won the freebie? Priced in the $13,000-$14,000 range?