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You are in the Sedans Forum.What is this discussion about? Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan
#1437 of 3871 Toyota takes the gloves off in the low-end car wars by backy
Jan 03, 2002 (9:56 pm)
From the Star Tribune, Newspaper of the Twin Cities, January 3, 2002, page D1:Toyota Has Big Plans For Smaller Cars
Toyota Motor Corp. plans to export several low-priced compact cars to the United States to attract younger customers and boost market share, according to a newspaper reported. [sic]
Japan's biggest automaker is finalizing plans to introduce three or four of the models in the United States, some of which it will unveil at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit starting on Jan. 6, the Nihon Keizai newspaper said, without citing a source. The report didn't say when the cars will go on sale.
The vehicles are to be based on the Vitz compact sedan--known as the Echo in the United States--and come with engines ranging from 1.5 liters to 1.8 liters. In Japan, the cars are expected to sell for between $7,570 and $15,140, the report added.
#1438 of 3871 ... by panamaltd2
Jan 04, 2002 (2:21 pm)
Oh boy! More cars like the Echo, what more could one ask for.#1439 of 3871 Ha, by coolguyky7
Jan 04, 2002 (4:33 pm)
I'm excited about these new vehicles. They will probably what comprise the new Toyota brand, possibly named Genesis. The new Corolla is very nice everyone!
http://osx.wieck.com/pv/WKA /2002/01/03/WKA2002010354867_pv.jpg
http://osx.wieck.com/pv/WKA /2002/01/03/WKA2002010355055_pv.jpg
http://osx.wieck.com/pv/WKA /2002/01/03/WKA2002010355425_pv.jpg
Those are sport editions. Edmunds won't let me post the whole link for some reason so you will have to copy and paste it where I broke it apart at WKA and /2002. Sorry about that.
We may now have a new small car in the battle arena for us to talk about. The Matrix base model 5 speed is going for under $15,000! What shock to see it priced at or below Vibe.
#1440 of 3871 You are wrong, I can't agree with this post... by protegextwo
Jan 04, 2002 (5:06 pm)
"Honda and Toyota dealers do not often give much discount.Notice that Mazda, Subaru, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Suzuki, Isuzu and other
To many people, Kia and Hyundai are now equal to or
-Carleton
Carleton, do you ever read and think about what you are saying/posting before you click on the post button? OK, re-read your above post. Yea,...re-read that post. OK, now think about what you wrote. Is that really your opinion. Unbelievable, really.
-Larry
#1442 of 3871 by pat
Jan 04, 2002 (6:04 pm)
You know what, Santa is still poised to take back both of your new toys!Chill please! It is entirely possible to disagree agreeably, so could you both just give it a shot? Thanks, that would be very nice, and would be compliant with your Membership Agreement, you know?
Coolguy, your problem (actually Town Hall's problem, not yours) is the multiple links in one message. Next time try adding "(br)" after each of your links, but look at how you really have to do it - replace the "(" with "<" and the ")" with the ">" and lose all of the quote marks in my examples here. I couldn't get my actual example to post; if this makes no sense email me, and I'll try again.
That may allow you to post them. (But I don't promise a thing, I must say!)
Pat
Host
Sedans Message Board
#1443 of 3871 carleton1 by newcar31
Jan 04, 2002 (6:06 pm)
What's your point? It isn't like Mazdas, Nissans, Suburus and all the other "low quality" japanese brands are pieces of crap. Well, maybe Mitsubishi and Izuzu. My parents have a Camry V6 that was built in Japan and it needed two fuel injectors at 9000 miles and water leaked into the interior. It took the dealer a week to find the leak. It needed new shocks at 35,000 miles and the cv boots went at 40,000. OTOH, my old integra had the original CV boots until 90,000 miles and the shocks never needed to be replaced. Of course I know that Toyota cars have been consistantly the best as far as reliability. My point is that there are other cars out there that are reliable AND they are fun to drive (unlike almost all Toyotas). I drove a newer V6 Accord and IMO it is much more entertaining to drive than the appliance-like Camry sitting in my parent garage. Same goes for the new Altima. I had a 2002 Corolla rental when my 2001 Protege was in the body shop (bumper scuff) and that thing is downright *boring* compared to my Protege ES which isn't anywhere NEAR "low quality". If your whole deal is reliability, point A to point B driving and nothing else, then get a Toyota. If that's the case, then you really aren't an auto enthusiast. Toyota used to make cool cars; their current line up stinks IMO. What ever happened to the Corolla GTS, MR2 Turbo, Supra Turbo, Celica Turbo all-trac? The old RWD Corolla GTS and supercharged MR2s were a blast to drive. I wouldn't have minded buying a Toyota, but they don't make anything cool anymore (the new Celica is just too weird). Now, Toyota's only fault is boringness.#1444 of 3871 Hmmm by coolguyky7
Jan 04, 2002 (8:57 pm)
Thanks, Pat. I was wondering how I was supposed to do that.#1445 of 3871 You know what, Santa is still poised to take back both of your new toys! by protegextwo
Jan 05, 2002 (12:10 pm)
I apologize Carleton. I will try to be more civil in the future. Pat_Host, thanks you for the heads up.Respectfully,
Larry
#1446 of 3871 Thanks Larry. Question: Do all Kia vehicles get poorer EPA ratings than the competition? by carleton1
Jan 06, 2002 (8:28 pm)
....Reason I ask is the Sedona w/3.5L V6 gets 15/20 while Odyssey 3.5L gets 18/25.Kia Rio with 1.5L gets 25/30 while Honda Civic with 1.7L gets 30/38, Toyota ECHO with 1.5L gets 32/38.
Kia Optima 2.7L gets 18/24, Honda Accord 3.0L gets 20/28, Camry 3.0L gets 20/28 and the larger Chevy Impala 3.4L gets even better 21/32.
All of the above are with automatic transmissions.
What seems to be the problem with Kia engines/transmissions?
Carl
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