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Re: Well they do something similar... [londnr] by british_rover
Jun 12, 2006 (8:59 am)
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Replying to: londnr (Jun 12, 2006 7:59 am)

It might be illegal but there are a lot of minis in the US because of it. Is it something they really enforce heavily?
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Re: Well they do something similar... [british_rover] by londnr
Jun 12, 2006 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jun 12, 2006 8:59 am)

The fact is, it is illegal. The level of enforcement shouldn't be a factor when considering whether or not to break the law.
 
Furthermore it may not be the original importer that ends up suffering the loss of the motor vehicle. A second or third buyer may end up having the vehicle seized and destroyed. They won't face any criminal consequences, but they will be out the cost of the car and most likely their only recourse would be a civil suit against the person responsible for altering the VIN - and in all likelihood they will come up against a judgment proof defendant.
 
Not all robbery or burglary suspects get caught - I am not convinced that is a good reason to commit robbery or burglary. While altering the VIN may not rise to the level of these crimes in the minds of some - it involves fraud, it involves deception, it involves perjury and it is wrong.
 
Who knows what other "steps" were taken to get that car into the US?
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Re: Well they do something similar... [londnr] by buddy00
Jun 12, 2006 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: londnr (Jun 12, 2006 10:29 am)

I was not considering altering the VIN. I just wanted to have a 110 I could legally take back to the U.S. when I go. I think as long as I keep the engine and and other identifying marks in tact it should be perfectly legal to replace anything else. I can always break down the newer engine and ship it back for spare parts. Heck, maybe I'll get a 90 and a 110.
 
I don't think I have to go through an importer, I think the military will contract the shipping, it just needs to get through U.S. customs and they do that here.
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Re: Well they do something similar... [buddy00] by londnr
Jun 12, 2006 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: buddy00 (Jun 12, 2006 11:59 am)

I was at the port last week picking up a Land Rover with a friend. While we were there a military guy was having trouble bringing in his Armed Forces Europe car - it was all due to paperwork, he was missing a couple of forms.
 
Although it is early days for you, the current forms are: DOT form HS-7 and EPA form 3520-1 - but they may change before you are ready to do the move.
 
The comment on changing the VIN was posted by someone else, check my earlier post, I am pretty sure that you could rebuild a 1983 110 from the ground up as long is it is maintains its original form/character.
 
As to a different engine broken down for spares, you are outside my area of research, so I don't really know if there are EPA concerns or not. There are some Land Rover places in the US that already offer conversions to the later diesel engines, it might just be easier to have one of them do the work.
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Re: defender import [londnr] by buddy00
Jun 12, 2006 (12:39 pm)
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Replying to: londnr (Jun 11, 2006 7:27 pm)

I will have to do some checking to find out how much of a vehicle's parts you can replace and not change it's identification. I think as long as you keep the engine block and the parts with the VIN the rest is fair game.
 
I think the only way to get past the EPA is to keep the original 25 year old engine. I can always ship the new one back as a spare.
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Re: defender import [buddy00] by londnr
Jun 12, 2006 (12:41 pm)
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Replying to: buddy00 (Jun 12, 2006 12:39 pm)

EPA is 21 years.
 
I can email you the forms to review if you like, there may be some information on them that is useful to you
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Any Chance of Defender Coming Back to U.S.? by racer_65
Aug 01, 2006 (10:21 pm)
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A while back it was heard in the press that Land Rover has decided to extend the life of the existing Defender, and will be equipping it with air bag and so forth. Is there any chance it will meet the U.S. safety regulations, thus enabling it to come back to the U.S. market? Any insiders here?
 
I think lots of people miss it here. That's why people try to import these on there own. I certainly want one. A Land Rover dealership just isn't the same without the Defender in the showroom.
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Re: Any Chance of Defender Coming Back to U.S.? [racer_65] by british_rover
Aug 02, 2006 (7:13 pm)
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Replying to: racer_65 (Aug 01, 2006 10:21 pm)

Haven't heard anything yet on a new defender. They haven't even told us for sure when the LR2 is coming in. I see in various magazines that it will be here late in 2006 but I highly doubt that. Most likely it will be January 2007 at the earliest and most likely not till april 2007.
 
As for the Defender maybe 2010.
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Re: Any Chance of Defender Coming Back to U.S.? [british_rover] by racer_65
Aug 02, 2006 (9:46 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Aug 02, 2006 7:13 pm)

Thanks for the input. I'm not excited about the LR2. There are already too many vehicles like that. The real enthusiasts want the Defender. When I read the UK Land Rover magazines, it's all about the Defender, yet we can't get any here! If you look at the second hand market for Defenders, it's obvious there is demand here. Will you guys tell Land Rover that we want the Defender back?

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