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Replying to: buddy00 (Jun 10, 2006 1:50 pm) You raise an interesting question. You are proposing buying an early defender and restoring it with late model parts. Technically there is nothing to stop you from doing that, but like everything you may run into some problems. You could buy an '83 110 and rebuild it from the ground up, chassis, interior, doors, engine, transmission, etc. You would effectively have a "brand new" 110 defender that you could bring into the US in 2008 - not a problem for you as you will be in Germany till at least then. Your problems may begin with the EPA. As I understand it to be exempt from EPA requirements the engine must be 21 years or older(the 25 year mark is for DOT safety standards). Nothing to stop you from re conditioning the original engine, but if you put a newer engine in, say a TD300 that is less than 21 years old you may not be able to import the car legally - unless that engine has been certified to meet with all of the applicable EPA standards. Next consideration - even if the EPA lets the car in, your state may have its own restrictions. All in all if you recondition an older defender with a 3.5 V8 you should sail through the importation process. Like everything, do your homework first, do not take everything I have said as Gospel - double check and confirm everything. Good luck - and enjoy the World Cup.
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with classic minis. Basicly reVINing a new mini built during the 90s with the VIN from a mini built in the 70s or earlier. This allows them to import the new car as a 25 year old vehicle.
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Replying to: british_rover (Jun 12, 2006 5:10 am) I don't know what the worst consequences might be, but the importation forms are Federal - and knowingly committing perjury to the Feds, well I can't imagine the consequences are good.
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Replying to: londnr (Jun 12, 2006 7:59 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jun 12, 2006 8:59 am) Furthermore it may not be the original importer that ends up suffering the loss of the motor vehicle. A second or third buyer may end up having the vehicle seized and destroyed. They won't face any criminal consequences, but they will be out the cost of the car and most likely their only recourse would be a civil suit against the person responsible for altering the VIN - and in all likelihood they will come up against a judgment proof defendant. Not all robbery or burglary suspects get caught - I am not convinced that is a good reason to commit robbery or burglary. While altering the VIN may not rise to the level of these crimes in the minds of some - it involves fraud, it involves deception, it involves perjury and it is wrong. Who knows what other "steps" were taken to get that car into the US?
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Replying to: londnr (Jun 12, 2006 10:29 am) I don't think I have to go through an importer, I think the military will contract the shipping, it just needs to get through U.S. customs and they do that here.
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Replying to: buddy00 (Jun 12, 2006 11:59 am) Although it is early days for you, the current forms are: DOT form HS-7 and EPA form 3520-1 - but they may change before you are ready to do the move. The comment on changing the VIN was posted by someone else, check my earlier post, I am pretty sure that you could rebuild a 1983 110 from the ground up as long is it is maintains its original form/character. As to a different engine broken down for spares, you are outside my area of research, so I don't really know if there are EPA concerns or not. There are some Land Rover places in the US that already offer conversions to the later diesel engines, it might just be easier to have one of them do the work. |
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Replying to: londnr (Jun 11, 2006 7:27 pm) I think the only way to get past the EPA is to keep the original 25 year old engine. I can always ship the new one back as a spare.
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Replying to: buddy00 (Jun 12, 2006 12:39 pm) I can email you the forms to review if you like, there may be some information on them that is useful to you |
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