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Land Rover Defender, SUV
Jul 27, 2004 (4:43 am)
Certainly the styling is subjective, so any discussion on that is pointless. Most people like the styling, but as Abe Lincoln once said, "You can't please all of the people all of the time". The BMW engine is a legacy of the ownership of Land Rover by BMW when the current version was designed. I'm sure that you will see Jaguar engines in the Range Rover sometime in the future.
As far as the cost of the vehicle and people off-roading them, the 1997 Range Rover had an MSRP of $55,500 (4.0 SE) or 63,000 (4.6 HSE). The same criticism was levelled then, that it was too expensive to off-road, although you certainly had no problem with taking yours off road (which is commendable, that is where the strength of the vehicle lies). In 1997 Land Rover NA sold 6,826 vehicles in the US. By 2002 the price of the 4.6 HSE had risen to 68,000 and Land Rover NA sold 3,927. The 2003 Range Rover had an MSRP of 71,300 and Land Rover NA sold 13,834 Range Rovers, by far the most ever. Obviously the market finds this vehicle desirable and worth the added cost. From reports of attendance at LR dealer wheels events, there are many customers who have no problem taking the current vehicle off-road.
#57 of 129 Re: D90 and D110 [mbi]
Mar 07, 2005 (1:02 pm)
the good news is the defenders will re-introduced in2007, the bad news is that it looks like ford has "updated the look". in other words expect another suv clone. british atlantic has the unfotunate renderings on their website and it already looks like a cross between an explorer and a nissan pathfinder. everything we loved about the defender will be compromised to appease the lawyers and beaurocrats. did you know that in europe you can get a turbo diesel range rover that gets 30+ mpg with great performance and low emissions. why cant we get good diesel vehicles and when will ford learn "if it aint broke,dont fix it. and lastly, when will detroit break out of the "nascar mentality" and give us trucks that are both powerful and fuel efficient????
#59 of 129 New European pedestrian safety regulations
Apr 04, 2005 (5:58 pm)
New European pedestrian safety regulations WILL affect the styling of new European cars. For example, the next Jaguar XK will use the new XJ's aluminum chassis and will have to comply with those new regulations.
Detroit already makes diesels. Cummins I-6 turbodiesel powers big Dodge pickup trucks.
"The Cummins 610 Turbo Diesel, available on 2005 models, is more powerful, and particulates and nitrogen oxides (NOx) have been reduced to meet all states' emission standards - even California's. The piston combustion bowl and a high-flow, electronically controlled waste-gated turbocharger match boost pressure with engine needs to reduce emissions. This solution does not require exhaust gas recirculation, avoiding the need for over 50 components.
More to the point for most owners, the 610 has, appropriately, 610 lb.-ft. (827 N•m) of torque starting at 1,600 rpm [and 325 horsepower].
The Cummins turbodiesel also provides an average of 350,000 miles before an overhaul is needed, thanks partly to gallery cooled, high-strength aluminum pistons; gallery cooled, high-strength aluminum pistons, high-strength Inconel® exhaust valves and high-cobalt Stellite® exhaust valve seats, a high-strength exhaust manifold with multi-layer gasket between head and manifold; and forged steel, fracture-split connecting rods.
The Cummins 610 is quieter due to many noise reduction systems, including pilot injection - a short burst of fuel before the main injection which reduces the spike in combustion pressure for dramatically quieter combustion."
- from http://www.allpar.com/model/ram/ram-engine.html
GM has a great 4.2 liter 275 hp I-6 in their mid-size SUVs. They should put it in their compact pickup trucks and the new 2007 Silverado. Here it is.
Low-sulphur diesel fuel will pollute less when it comes here by next year.
Ford improved their V-8 and V-10 engines for the 2005 Superduty.
#60 of 129 Re: Back in 2006 [miked03]
May 05, 2005 (9:56 am)
I work on the LR3/Discovery/Range Rover Sport production line at Solihull in England. We are not building a new Defender on Disco chassis as yet.
New Ford diesel engine for Europe in 2006 I believe.
Haven't heard about the Defender coming back to the States.
#61 of 129 Re: Back in 2006 [simmo]
May 20, 2005 (11:02 am)
I'm currently running a V70 but going to replace it in Dec'05. I'm reading Off-Road magazines since a few years. My dream is a basic "E" Defender 110 SW but due to current EUR4 and particel filter discussions in Germany in waiting for the next diesel generation Ford's "Puma". I believe it'll be the 2.4 l TDCi but a bit modified for max 130 km/h speed and more torque than speed.
If you have some news on the next diesel engine and D110 MJ2006 please keep me posted.
Thanks from Germany,
#62 of 129 defender import
Jun 24, 2005 (9:46 am)
I just got back from europe where I saw that defenders are still sold. I did not know this! This one right here is a 2005 and had 2k miles on it and was going for 33k EUROS. Has a 2.5 Liter diesel engine with 130HP I think. Is there no way to get this vehicle legal in the US?
#64 of 129 Re: defender import [sagechicken]
Jul 01, 2005 (9:16 pm)
My German neighbor had his father go to a BMW dealership in Germany to buy the new BMW that he wanted. After driving it for a few days, it was considered used and according to my neighbor, they were able to ship the car over as a used car. They stated that they didn't have aproblem importing it but I have no idea how that would relate to a British vehicle with the steering wheel being on the "wrong" side.
Nonetheless, I'm not sure why it would be much different than when a military person moves overseas and have their used vehicle imported for them.
Especially, if you live in a state like Alabama where there is no emission testing or vehicle inspections. Something to explore because I would like to import a reasonbly priced Defender if possible
#65 of 129 Re: defender import [achuff]
Jul 14, 2005 (11:35 pm)
I hate Ford. They make stupid cars, and they ruin all of my favorite British brands. The new Jaguars all look like Fords, and nobody wants them. Now it looks like Ford is going to screw up the Defender. There's totally no reason to introduce a new Defender. Just add the damn airbags and ship them over. It's gotta be a lot cheaper than building another model. If they have to have another model, call it something else. Keep the classic Defender. Ford is making all these retro-cars in the U.S., yet they want to kill a classic design that is already "retro'ed". It doesn't make any sense!