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#50 of 128 pfolk by tincup47 Jul 23, 2004 (4:40 am)
With sales of the new Range Rover much higher than the preceding models, people are certainly not "turned off" from this vehicle. Also any decision to bring the Defender to the US market will only come after analysis of the marketability of the vehicle in the US. One reason that the Defender's that are currently in the US are worth so much is that they are very rare. There were less than 7,000 Defenders sold in 94,95,97 and they did not exactly fly off the dealer's lots.  That said, it is certainly hoped that this icon of the brand can return to the US market. Replies to this message: pfolk (Jul 24, 2004 11:15 am)
#51 of 128 Defender/Bronco? by ugly2 Jul 23, 2004 (9:10 am)
If Land Rover/Ford is bringing back the 90 I wonder if anyone knows the status of the possible return of the Bronco? Replies to this message: pfolk (Jul 24, 2004 10:52 am)
#52 of 128 Re: Defender/Bronco? [ugly2] by pfolk Jul 24, 2004 (10:52 am)
Replying to: ugly2 (Jul 23, 2004 9:10 am) I think I have seen a concept vehicle in the Bronco "style". Check future vehicles for Ford.
#53 of 128 Re: pfolk [tincup47] by pfolk Jul 24, 2004 (11:15 am)
Replying to: tincup47 (Jul 23, 2004 4:40 am) It's nice to know LR can sell the new Rover, but I don't think that means they're on the right track with the BMW-inspired and powered design. The steam seems to be going out of some parts of the Big SUV market (see drooping sales figures for Hummers and G-wagens), there are still plenty of yuppies willing to pay too much for something that will never leave the blacktop (see Cayenne!). After Ford has had sufficient time to evaluate and decide what it wants to do with RR, maybe they will return to something closer to its roots as a luxurious yet practical off-roader.   I'm a former Range Rover owner (97 model year) who took this machine off road. I can't justify doing so with the current model selling at more than $70K, and the Teutonic trim of the current model doesn't do a thing for me.   I agree that Defender's resale price is dictated by scarcity; they do seem to move on eBay and other web auctions quite nicely. Let's hope they do return to the US. The Rangestormer concept (or whatever the production version will be called) is another step in the wrong direction.
#54 of 128 1995 Defender -- with 30k miles by spfotey Jul 26, 2004 (7:37 am)
in immaculate shape. anybody know what this thing is worth??   thx   scott
#55 of 128 by steve_ HOST Jul 26, 2004 (8:21 pm)
Determine the Value of your car right here.   Second opinions welcome, plus you can ask the car salespeople over in the Real-World Trade-In Values discussion.   Steve, Host
#56 of 128 pfolk by tincup47 Jul 27, 2004 (4:43 am)
Certainly the styling is subjective, so any discussion on that is pointless. Most people like the styling, but as Abe Lincoln once said, "You can't please all of the people all of the time". The BMW engine is a legacy of the ownership of Land Rover by BMW when the current version was designed. I'm sure that you will see Jaguar engines in the Range Rover sometime in the future.  As far as the cost of the vehicle and people off-roading them, the 1997 Range Rover had an MSRP of $55,500 (4.0 SE) or 63,000 (4.6 HSE). The same criticism was levelled then, that it was too expensive to off-road, although you certainly had no problem with taking yours off road (which is commendable, that is where the strength of the vehicle lies). In 1997 Land Rover NA sold 6,826 vehicles in the US. By 2002 the price of the 4.6 HSE had risen to 68,000 and Land Rover NA sold 3,927. The 2003 Range Rover had an MSRP of 71,300 and Land Rover NA sold 13,834 Range Rovers, by far the most ever. Obviously the market finds this vehicle desirable and worth the added cost. From reports of attendance at LR dealer wheels events, there are many customers who have no problem taking the current vehicle off-road.
#57 of 128 Re: D90 and D110 [mbi] by ignatz Mar 07, 2005 (1:02 pm)
Replying to: mbi (May 24, 2001 7:48 am) the good news is the defenders will re-introduced in2007, the bad news is that it looks like ford has "updated the look". in other words expect another suv clone. british atlantic has the unfotunate renderings on their website and it already looks like a cross between an explorer and a nissan pathfinder. everything we loved about the defender will be compromised to appease the lawyers and beaurocrats. did you know that in europe you can get a turbo diesel range rover that gets 30+ mpg with great performance and low emissions. why cant we get good diesel vehicles and when will ford learn "if it aint broke,dont fix it. and lastly, when will detroit break out of the "nascar mentality" and give us trucks that are both powerful and fuel efficient????
#59 of 128 New European pedestrian safety regulations by xkss Apr 04, 2005 (5:58 pm)
New European pedestrian safety regulations WILL affect the styling of new European cars. For example, the next Jaguar XK will use the new XJ's aluminum chassis and will have to comply with those new regulations.   Detroit already makes diesels. Cummins I-6 turbodiesel powers big Dodge pickup trucks.   "The Cummins 610 Turbo Diesel, available on 2005 models, is more powerful, and particulates and nitrogen oxides (NOx) have been reduced to meet all states' emission standards - even California's. The piston combustion bowl and a high-flow, electronically controlled waste-gated turbocharger match boost pressure with engine needs to reduce emissions. This solution does not require exhaust gas recirculation, avoiding the need for over 50 components.   More to the point for most owners, the 610 has, appropriately, 610 lb.-ft. (827 N•m) of torque starting at 1,600 rpm [and 325 horsepower].   The Cummins turbodiesel also provides an average of 350,000 miles before an overhaul is needed, thanks partly to gallery cooled, high-strength aluminum pistons; gallery cooled, high-strength aluminum pistons, high-strength Inconel® exhaust valves and high-cobalt Stellite® exhaust valve seats, a high-strength exhaust manifold with multi-layer gasket between head and manifold; and forged steel, fracture-split connecting rods.   The Cummins 610 is quieter due to many noise reduction systems, including pilot injection - a short burst of fuel before the main injection which reduces the spike in combustion pressure for dramatically quieter combustion."   - from http://www.allpar.com/model/ram/ram-engine.html   check out   http://www.everytime.cummins.com/every/applications/ram_cummins600.jsp     GM has a great 4.2 liter 275 hp I-6 in their mid-size SUVs. They should put it in their compact pickup trucks and the new 2007 Silverado. Here it is.     Low-sulphur diesel fuel will pollute less when it comes here by next year.   Ford improved their V-8 and V-10 engines for the 2005 Superduty.

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