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#48 of 129 In the SUVs Newsletter this week from Edmunds.com
Jul 19, 2004 (8:17 pm)
A new Land Rover Defender will arrive on the sport-ute scene within a few years to anchor the brand's reputation as a hard-core off-road haven. Automotive News Europe says that the model, a staple in the Land Rover lineup for years but unavailable in the U.S. for the past couple of years due to safety and emissions hurdles, will return this decade, possibly as early as 2007. The replacement for the Defender will be based on the new T5 architecture that underpins the new LR3, which itself replaces the outgoing Discovery.
#49 of 129 Re: In the SUVs Newsletter this week from Edmunds.com [Sylvia]
Jul 22, 2004 (4:50 pm)
This is welcome news, what with used D110's selling for US$40-60K. It's interesting, nonetheless, that I sent an email to LR's web page within the last month asking when we were going to see a new Defender in the US. I received a very polite reply that LR did not intend to produce another Defender for the North American market, or words to that effect.
I know they wouldn't preempt their own press release with an email to some yahoo rock-hopper, but it's interesting all the same. I interpreted the response to mean Ford was protecting the low end price point for the Explorer line. Could this be an acknowledgment that too many serious off-roaders are turned off by the fussy looks and outrageous pricing of the newest Range Rover and fearing the same reaction to LR3? Or have the Jeep line, 4Runner, Xterra and Touareg been eating into their sales? My guess: All of the above.
Jul 23, 2004 (4:40 am)
With sales of the new Range Rover much higher than the preceding models, people are certainly not "turned off" from this vehicle. Also any decision to bring the Defender to the US market will only come after analysis of the marketability of the vehicle in the US. One reason that the Defender's that are currently in the US are worth so much is that they are very rare. There were less than 7,000 Defenders sold in 94,95,97 and they did not exactly fly off the dealer's lots.
That said, it is certainly hoped that this icon of the brand can return to the US market.
#51 of 129 Defender/Bronco?
Jul 23, 2004 (9:10 am)
If Land Rover/Ford is bringing back the 90 I wonder if anyone knows the status of the possible return of the Bronco?
#52 of 129 Re: Defender/Bronco? [ugly2]
Jul 24, 2004 (10:52 am)
I think I have seen a concept vehicle in the Bronco "style". Check future vehicles for Ford.
#53 of 129 Re: pfolk [tincup47]
Jul 24, 2004 (11:15 am)
It's nice to know LR can sell the new Rover, but I don't think that means they're on the right track with the BMW-inspired and powered design. The steam seems to be going out of some parts of the Big SUV market (see drooping sales figures for Hummers and G-wagens), there are still plenty of yuppies willing to pay too much for something that will never leave the blacktop (see Cayenne!). After Ford has had sufficient time to evaluate and decide what it wants to do with RR, maybe they will return to something closer to its roots as a luxurious yet practical off-roader.
I'm a former Range Rover owner (97 model year) who took this machine off road. I can't justify doing so with the current model selling at more than $70K, and the Teutonic trim of the current model doesn't do a thing for me.
I agree that Defender's resale price is dictated by scarcity; they do seem to move on eBay and other web auctions quite nicely. Let's hope they do return to the US. The Rangestormer concept (or whatever the production version will be called) is another step in the wrong direction.
#54 of 129 1995 Defender -- with 30k miles
Jul 26, 2004 (7:37 am)
in immaculate shape. anybody know what this thing is worth??
Jul 27, 2004 (4:43 am)
Certainly the styling is subjective, so any discussion on that is pointless. Most people like the styling, but as Abe Lincoln once said, "You can't please all of the people all of the time". The BMW engine is a legacy of the ownership of Land Rover by BMW when the current version was designed. I'm sure that you will see Jaguar engines in the Range Rover sometime in the future.
As far as the cost of the vehicle and people off-roading them, the 1997 Range Rover had an MSRP of $55,500 (4.0 SE) or 63,000 (4.6 HSE). The same criticism was levelled then, that it was too expensive to off-road, although you certainly had no problem with taking yours off road (which is commendable, that is where the strength of the vehicle lies). In 1997 Land Rover NA sold 6,826 vehicles in the US. By 2002 the price of the 4.6 HSE had risen to 68,000 and Land Rover NA sold 3,927. The 2003 Range Rover had an MSRP of 71,300 and Land Rover NA sold 13,834 Range Rovers, by far the most ever. Obviously the market finds this vehicle desirable and worth the added cost. From reports of attendance at LR dealer wheels events, there are many customers who have no problem taking the current vehicle off-road.
#57 of 129 Re: D90 and D110 [mbi]
Mar 07, 2005 (1:02 pm)
the good news is the defenders will re-introduced in2007, the bad news is that it looks like ford has "updated the look". in other words expect another suv clone. british atlantic has the unfotunate renderings on their website and it already looks like a cross between an explorer and a nissan pathfinder. everything we loved about the defender will be compromised to appease the lawyers and beaurocrats. did you know that in europe you can get a turbo diesel range rover that gets 30+ mpg with great performance and low emissions. why cant we get good diesel vehicles and when will ford learn "if it aint broke,dont fix it. and lastly, when will detroit break out of the "nascar mentality" and give us trucks that are both powerful and fuel efficient????