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#3555 of 3564 Re: Picking up... [thegraduate] by isellhondas

Oct 17, 2010 (3:13 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 17, 2010 1:40 pm)
You know, you're right. they called them LX-SE's and not LX-P's those years.
 
See what being retired for five months has done to my Honda memory?
 
Yes, those first Hondas were crude, primative rust buckets. Unlike ther early Korean offerings they held up mechanically quite well. They improved from that point. So did Subaru and the other Japanese makes. You would think the Koreans would have learned from that?
 
As far as Bluetooth, I'm not a big fan of talking on the phone while I'm driving but I do have a 40.00 Motorola earpiece that I sometimes bring along. It actually works quite well! I don't need a trip computer and I don't own in Ipod. I listen to a lot of talk radio and I have a huge collection of CD's that work well in my built in 6 disk changer. What is of great importance to some is of little value to others I suppose.
 
And, it's a Korean car that won't be worth much in five years as compared to a Honda or a Toyota. I suppose time could change that down the road?
 
For some people who trade often, resale value is a BIG deal.
 
Now, Ford...I have nothing but good to say about the great imporvements that have taken place in recent years. I am happy to say that they have made huge strides and I love the Flex and the Fusions. Yes, I would take a very serious look if I were in the market.
 
I agree with your last sentence. The market has changed and Honda better be on top of it.

#3556 of 3564 Re: Picking up... [isellhondas] by thegraduate

Oct 18, 2010 (5:23 am)

Replying to: isellhondas (Oct 17, 2010 3:13 pm)
I don't need a trip computer and I don't own in Ipod. I listen to a lot of talk radio and I have a huge collection of CD's that work well in my built in 6 disk changer. What is of great importance to some is of little value to others I suppose.
 
Nobody "needs" bluetooth, a trip computer, an iPod connection, intermittent wipers, power seats, lighted steering wheel controls, etc... but to have them is awfully nice. They're luxuries, essentially, and I'm sure you'd agree with me. Luxuries to some are wasted money to others. As for me, I'm pretty OCD about my gas mileage (yes, I bought a V6 Sonata -- have fun with that, it's ok ) and enjoy having the trip computer, and seeing the distance to empty at a glance. Outside temperature I don't need; here in Birmingham it rarely freezes & I have a one-touch moonroof and power windows if I want to know what the temp is.
 
As far as the CDs go, instead of changing them out (say, 90 tracks or roughly 6 hours of music) I have 500 songs on a 4-GB thumb drive that doesn't come out of the console. I have an mP3 disc in the player with over 100 songs on it, but I typically use the thumb-drive; it cost me $12. A nice, surprising touch -- the iPod and mP3 hookups are lighted in my Sonata; handy since they are in the console out of the way, and would be hard to find in the dark!

#3557 of 3564 Re: Picking up... [thegraduate] by isellhondas

Oct 18, 2010 (7:58 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 18, 2010 5:23 am)
Maybe if I spent a lot of time in my car, those features would be of interest to me.
 
I'm the opposite from you on checking my gas mileage. Basically, I don't care. It's going to get what it get's and there is nothing I can do about it. I might check it once a year just for kicks.
 
Most of those items are available aftermarket and if I felt the need, I would have them installed.
 
The other day, I happened to park next to a new Sonata. I was impressed and reminded that Hyundai has certainly come a long way.

#3559 of 3564 Re: Picking up... [isellhondas] by thegraduate

Oct 18, 2010 (8:19 am)

Replying to: isellhondas (Oct 18, 2010 7:58 am)
Maybe if I spent a lot of time in my car, those features would be of interest to me.
 
Probably so: my daily round trip commute recently got shortened when I took a new job in March. It dropped from 72 miles to 52 a day -- a small victory! An hour and a half just commuting daily means I really learn what I like and don't like with my vehicles, because I spend more time in the driver's seat than in my favorite chair at home.

#3560 of 3564 Re: Picking up... [thegraduate] by elroy5

Oct 19, 2010 (7:00 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 18, 2010 5:23 am)
Personally, I think phone use, while driving should be outlawed (Bluetooth or not). These distracted people always seem to be in front of me, and obviously can't concentrate on two things at once (few people can IMO). I am also completely content with FM radio, and my favorite morning show, and classic rock the rest of the day. I have an iPod, but very rarely use it (cutting grass, or other noisy jobs) For someone who was completely satisfied with the power or their I4 Accord, I am surprised you bought a V6 Sonata. If you see the mileage in a display, does your mileage get better? I think people have WAY too much to do inside their cars, besides driving, and it shows. I have always enjoyed driving, so I don't need anything distracting me from it.

#3561 of 3564 Re: Picking up... [thegraduate] by marvin6

Oct 19, 2010 (8:09 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 17, 2010 1:40 pm)
As far as price, have you shopped Honda vs. Hyundai? They really aren't much less money and quite frankly, a lot of the exra features are items of little use or value to most shoppers.
 
There is much more to it than price. As a couple in our 50s (a BIG target of honda accord) I can tell you that in total honesty I believe the 2009 and 2010 sonata are better cars than their accord counterpart. Both in the 4 and 6 cyl models. Just our opinions, mind you. The 2011 sonata, I believe, is actually in a different class than the accord. I think it has left the accord in the dust in quality and available features. You get a whole lot more for less money! As you've stated, there are many features on a car that aren't "necessary". But necessary or not, many people use them. (I have about 200 channels of tv and probably watch less than 10 of them.) I use XM, my ipod and a thumb drive all the time. I have bluetooth capability, but have never driven while talking on the phone.
I think honda has not only been caught, but surpassed by a number of companies. Although I don't own a hyundai, I would buy one before I would buy an accord. I would buy a fusion before I would buy an accord. Honda has relied on its history and has, in my opinion, failed to keep up with the market. I think if they don't make major strides in the next year's model that they will pay heavily for it.

#3562 of 3564 Re: Picking up... [elroy5] by thegraduate

Oct 20, 2010 (6:22 am)

Replying to: elroy5 (Oct 19, 2010 7:00 pm)
For someone who was completely satisfied with the power or their I4 Accord, I am surprised you bought a V6 Sonata.
 
Well, the slightly heavier Sonata (with admittedly softer throttle response) made the 2.4L Sonata feel a little poky.
 
If you see the mileage in a display, does your mileage get better?
 
Probably. I'm not one to lean on the throttle in every-day situations (my average MPG for my commute is 30-32 MPG in both my '96 2.2L Honda and the 3.3L Sonata), but having the 249 horses for passing maneuvers and climbing the lower Appalachains is a welcome luxury. The 2.4L Accord had plenty for all but the most aggressive passing maneuvers.
 
I am also completely content with FM radio, and my favorite morning show, and classic rock the rest of the day.
 
I listen to the radio at my desk; in my car I enjoy having my podcasts, music to listen to/sing with I'm practicing for various events, etc. I can sync it weekly with whatever's in my iTunes in 5 minutes, no discs necessary. It's not for everyone, but I enjoy it.
 
On an administrative note, I know there's really not a forum for this conversation (or not an active one which I've seen), so I've used this one for our original conversation (with isell), mainly because the thread was dead in the water anyway; I wasn't hijacking an active thread for my own agenda.

#3563 of 3564 Re: Picking up... [marvin6] by thegraduate

Oct 20, 2010 (6:34 am)

Replying to: marvin6 (Oct 19, 2010 8:09 pm)
I can tell you that in total honesty I believe the 2009 and 2010 sonata are better cars than their accord counterpart.
 
Well, better for you, and better in some ways (available features, softer ride, quieter interior, better warranty, lower price) but not all. The Accord handles better and is more fun to drive, and in my opinion has the quicker-responding transmission (and I've now owned both). I like my Sonata. I liked my Accord. They both have strong points, and depending on your purpose, one will be better than the other.

#3564 of 3564 Re: Picking up... [thegraduate] by hondaman1

Oct 24, 2010 (12:15 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 20, 2010 6:22 am)
I am a Honda fan but I totally agree with those who have arrived at the conclusion that other competitors have caught up with Honda and even passed them in quality and features in some instances. I am in accord with the feeling that the Accord has been passed by the Sonata and the Fusion and possibly the new 2011 Kia Optima. I think that Honda has a lot of work to do to keep its position as a top quality manufacturer in not only its Honda line of cars, but Acura as well. The new and ugly Acura corporate grill needs to be abandoned. I dont know why they insist on keeping it, hardly anyone likes it. They need to seriously upgrade the RL and give it a 7 or 8 speed transmission, bring back the NSX (as its Halo/performance car) with All Wheel Drive, bring back the Vigor and the Cl, and make them competitive in engine power, braking performance, road-holding and features. Acura is currently not very competitive in the market and are being left behind. Infiniti, Lexus, Mercedes and BMW are making Acura look like a bad idea or the purveyors of lower class rental vehicles. Honda has a lot of work to do, and they need to do it quickly. I own 2 hondas and 1 Acura and a Honda lawn mower. I love their products but I think they have stalled in the market and ran out of ideas. I have started to look and BMWs and Infiniti models and will buy one of them if Honda doesnt make some improvements which bring them back to being competitive.

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