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#329 of 512 To Buy Or Not To Buy
Aug 05, 2002 (10:44 am)
I'm seriously considering the purchase of a 2002 Audi TT Coupe, 180 HP FWD (possibly the AWD) but I'm hesitant based on some owner-feedback. Granted, once you spend upwards of 30K on vehicle, you'll probably defend it with your life (kinda like buying a Macintosh, which I have and will continue to do, regardless of the inflated prices and slower processors) which is why it's hard to get an un-biased opinion. The reports of electrical failures on the TT are a bit unsettling since I live in the city, and I would prefer to have my windows stay UP when they're supposed to, and the alarm system active when I'm OUT of the car. After reading all these posts, checking out Edmunds own reviews along with Consumer Reports, the TT appears to be more of a neat looking toy than a fully functioning automobile. I am in no way trying to "dis" the TT, so please don't take that statement as an offensive remark. I've driven one, and I was pleased with the look and feel, except for the fact that you can't really see out the side windows, and if you're too far under a stop light, well, I guess you're out of luck (i.e. can't see the stop light anymore). I'm not interested in a 2003 Tip model. I enjoy manual transmission, and if that feature is discontinued, I'm wondering how well those models (with manual trans) will be supported mechanically (Audi doesn't seem to a have a very good "rap" when it comes to service). So... I'm starting to consider the S2000, but the lack of any trunk space whatsoever bothers me. I'd at least like to fit something other than myself in the car. Ideally I'd like to purchase an Audi TT used, but I can't seem to find a used TT Coupe in the Baltimore/D.C. area. Have most of the problems of the TT been resolved with the 2002 model(s)? I didn't notice any turbo lag when driving the car, but then again, I've never driven a car with turbo. I don't plan on racing anyone, but I would like a car with a bit of a pickup. The S2000 seems to be more of a rocket-on-wheels, but Honda doesn't seem to make cars which are mechanically unreliable (I've owned many, which is why I would purhcase one again). Of course money comes into play, and I'm trying to keep this whole transaction below (or close to) 30K. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Aug 05, 2002 (4:13 pm)
"The lack of any trunk space whatsoever"??
Are you sure you were looking at an S2000? On a recent golf trip, I got my clubs, garment bag, small duffle bag and various other odds and ends in the trunk. Another time, I actually got two sets of clubs in the trunk, albeit one was a travel bag. The S2000 trunk isn't huge, but it does a lot better than a Miata or SLK.
As for deciding between the TT and S2000, their driving characteristics are about as far apart as you can get in the two seat roadster category. Both are excellent in their own right, just make sure you get the one that compliments your style / preference. Our neighbors bought an early vintage Boxster a few years ago then traded it for a TT 225 roadster after about the 5th time the Boxster top got stuck in the "down" position. Now they are considering trading the TT for an S2000 or M Roadster, ostensibly to get back some of the "sports car feel" they had with the Boxster. When I asked them if either had driven an S2000, they said "no, but we like the looks of yours"! Wonder what they will get next.
Aug 06, 2002 (5:29 am)
"Are you sure you were looking at an S2000? On a recent golf trip, I got my clubs, garment bag, small duffle bag and various other odds and ends in the trunk. Another time, I actually got two sets of clubs in the trunk, albeit one was a travel bag. The S2000 trunk isn't huge, but it does a lot better than a Miata or SLK."
I'm more concerned with the electrical problems reported with the TT. Although it does seem the TT has more trunk space, that probably isn't very useful if the car is being repaired every 30 days. So I'm looking for reliability first, practicality second.
Aug 06, 2002 (9:22 am)
The reliability reputation of Honda was a factor that caused me to select the S2000 over the Boxster S. I was nearly prepared to pay the $25k premium for the Porsche, but got increasingly concerned about the maintenance and repair factor. Since this was to be a "fun" car, visiting the dealership frequently to resolve problems would have defeated the purpose.
I have not heard of specific reliability problems with the TT, but if that is your primary concern, you can't do much better than Honda. In addition to being fairly bulletproof, there is a much better dealer network. And, from my experience, S2000 owners are treated like royalty. The one minor problem I had when the car was new (broken top latch) resulted in two calls from the Honda regional representatives to make sure I was happy with the fix.
I still think the S2000 and TT are very different cars from a driver's perspective, but if you are going to make your choice based upon reliability, that's up to you.
Aug 07, 2002 (9:21 am)
How's the outside noise with the S2000? If i purchased one, I'd opt for the Hard Top since I'm not really interested in a convertible/top down. The introduction of Tiptronic only in the 180 HP models of the TT is a serious drawback.
Aug 07, 2002 (11:12 am)
Noise can be an issue in the S2000 with the top up. This is a high strung sports car. Even in 6th gear, it's running at 4,000 rpm at 70 mph. I suspect that even with the hard top option, the TT coupe would probably be quieter at highway speeds. I myself don't find the noise objectionable, but I have a Nissan Maxima to fall back on, if I'm carting around one or more business associates.
If you really don't want a convertible, perhaps you should consider the Nissan 350Z or Infinity G35 Coupe as alternatives. From what I've heard, the Nissan/Infiniti are a step down from the S2000 in handling precision, but they make thier power through lower reving (i.e. quieter) V-6's. Again, I personally liked the fact that the S2000 was a limited production, mostly hand built "sports" car, and would have probably opted for a Boxster S rather than go the mass market GT/coupe route. But they may be worth your consideration.
#335 of 512 RE: To buy or not to buy
Aug 10, 2002 (10:28 am)
I recently purchased a 2002 coupe, 180FWD, so you'll know in advance where I'm coming from. I was looking for a comfortable car that I would enjoy driving, not necessarily the "ultimate" sports car, and the TT fits my expectations very nicely. From my research I would say that the majority of issues with the TT were on the 2000's, some on the 2001's, and the 2002's have been very reliable. My initial (two week old) experience has been fine - a minor issue with the CD changer is my only issue to date.
The trunk of the coupe is quite good for a sports car.
You absolutely cannot find a car near this price range with the interior style of the TT. If that aspect is high on your list it's in a class by itself, and it should continue to delight for the lifetime of the car.
The Audi dealer/service experience is mixed. If you can find a dealer/service department you are pleased with stick with them, and they do exist, but just not in the vast majority. A few are really bad from what I've researched, a few are outstanding, most are about average at best.
Right now is a great time buy in my opinion - many local (SF Bay Area) dealers seem to have lots of TT's on the lot, sales are slow, and deals can be found. You should be able to get your TT for invoice (*not* MSRP) plus $500 - $800 (plus tax and license).
The car just plain feels good, tight, a of high quality - I've not experienced any rattles, etc.
#336 of 512 RE: edmtownhall
Aug 12, 2002 (10:11 pm)
I compared virtually every mid-priced sports car before I bought my TT. I came up with five finalists: Audi TT Roadster, BMW M Roadster, Honda S2000, Porsche Boxster S, and Corvette.
BMW M Roadster: a great performer, but the interior was too cramped. It was the only car that I couldn't drive in the rain without getting a wet elbow.
Porsche Boxster S: I loved this car! If it had been $10k cheaper and the maintenance costs weren't insane, I would have bought one in a heartbeat! Porsche should stop charging extra for items that are standard on every competitor.
Corvette convertible: best performer by a wide margin, but the dashboard looked too cheap. It even had the same radio as my 02 Tahoe (not to mention my old 97 Z28). I've always wanted a Vette, but just couldn't pull the trigger when I finally was in a position to buy one. I'll wait for the C6...
Honda S2000: this car rocked! Great handling, brakes, and acceleration. However, when driven at high rpm (the ONLY way to drive it) the engine noise was almost unbearable. "Cacophony" is the word that comes to mind. If the sound were more like the Boxster, the Porsche never would have entered my mind. A great third car, but I just couldn't live with it as my daily driver.
Audi TT: the poorest performer of the finalists--heaviest, least powerful, most body roll. Even with the stage 1 mod, my TT can't run with the others. However, the nicest interior, Quattro grip, free maintenance, best warranty and unique styling put it over the top for me. I've had the car for 15 months and haven't had any problems (or regrets for that matter). If ultimate performance isn't your #1 priority, then the TT is worth considering.
Good luck with your decision...
#337 of 512 Audi TT manual or auto?
Aug 13, 2002 (3:36 pm)
I have heard of the 03TT having an auto box as option. This is sooo wrong! The TT is Audi's only sports car. A true sports car needs to stay with manual. (though even the Boxster offers the tiptronic system)
And will the next gen. TT have less body roll to compete with the Z4, Boxster, and S 2000?
#338 of 512 TT problems - edmtownhall
Aug 15, 2002 (7:23 am)
A common problem with the 225 TT roadsters, and probably with the other TT's as well, is the instrument cluster failing. Not the entire cluster, but one little gauge not working constitutes a new cluster. It's also common in the new A4's as well. I had mine replaced at 5k miles on my 02 TT 225 roadster b/c of the fuel gauge not working. Dealer said it's been a common problem. The car is extremely tight around corners (not as tight as an S2k) with the Quattro and the brakes are incredible, on par with the boxster and s2k. You must be careful how hard you brake though b/c some idiot drivers like to ride your tail and they'll end up in your trunk if you brake too hard. I had to pull over into a grass median to avoid someone skidding into me. No complaints here though.