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Audi TT, Coupe, Convertible
#227 of 512 Coupe vs. Roadster
May 24, 2002 (3:34 pm)
I have driven both, but as previously stated, I drive a coupe. I believe they handle about the same. Obviously the roadster is heavier. Starting with the 2001 models, Audi made the suspension slightly more forgiving and added the spoiler to amend a problem in handling the TT was having at excessively high speed on the German Autobahn. Since the roadster did not come out until 2001 perhaps this is the difference your friend is referring to. BTW, the original suspension is much sought after by fans of the TT and many think the car looks better without the spoiler.
#228 of 512 2002 vs. 2003 tt coupe?
May 25, 2002 (7:24 am)
Hello all. I'm new to the board and my reason for being here is that I'm seriously considering the TT as my next vehicle. I currently own a 99 BMW M-Coupe, so I know a bit about high performance. My decision to go with the TT is not all about maximum performance, but what seems to be an ideal mix of performance and style. The only other option would be the BMW 330Ci, however the interior styling does nothing for me. The TT however, is a work of art inside and out.
Anyway, does anyone know what changes are planned for 2003. Is it worth waiting for the new model of should I buy one now. Also, what are the opinions of the 180 hp version vs. the 225. Quattro, or not. I live in the Southeast and I don't plan on driving in snow too often at all. Thanks for any comments.
#229 of 512 RE: ejhunter
May 25, 2002 (10:07 am)
EJ: I've got a 2001 225 quattro roadster and love it. However, coming out of an M3, you'll probably want to get a "Stage 1" mod performed on your car. My dealer did such a mod which includes chipping the ECU, cold air intake, thermostat and some other mods. The tech claims an extra 40 hp and 35 ft/lbs torque. These numbers seem optimistic to me, but there is an obvious difference. Because my dealer performed the mods, I have no problems with getting the vehicle serviced under warranty.
As far as the quattro 225 vs. the 180 fwd, there's no comparison. Besides the obvious power differential, the usability of the power is much greater in the quattro. Wet or dry the quattro hangs on tenaciously. I lived in FL for 5 years myself and wish that I'd had my quattro on the rain-slicked, seashell-encrusted tarmac. Forget snow--drive them back to back in the rain and see the difference...
#230 of 512 Vinnyny, wow, who's you dealer?
May 25, 2002 (10:01 pm)
You're lucky will not only let you do mods but actually make them for you!
Have you visited AudiWorld's TT forum?
#231 of 512 RE: papadecamile
May 27, 2002 (9:41 am)
Papa: I responded to you earlier, but my post hasn't shown up. Anyway, my dealer was more than happy to sell me the performance package. In fact, he let me drive two different examples of the modified car--a "stage one" roadster and a 'stage two' coupe. I drove my car unmodified for about two months and then took it in. The difference in performance is remarkable and my fuel economy is about the same.
I can't give up the dealer's name because I don't want Audi investigating the situation--can't afford to lose that warranty!
#233 of 512 Tail less TT
May 30, 2002 (7:18 pm)
Had an opportunity to drive a 2000 180quattro coupe without the spoiler. Silver. What a statement of auto design. Literally takes my breath away. I may have to remove my spoiler.
Also, I hate to bring up this ancient post that I remember reading here over two years ago, but probably the fastest TT is the 180 fwd coupe. This is because of it being a little over 300 pounds lighter than the 225 coupe with quattro. Add an APR chip and another 35hp and you have a really fast sporty TT. Needless to say the roadster is heavier still. And while my car has quattro and I love it, the fwd TT coupe handles extremely well.
As far as changes for 2003, the only thing I have heard is there will be an automatic transmission in some TT's this time around.
Lastly, for those looking to buy a TT, I would seriously look into the used market. I have just recently come across several used TT's with less than 25k miles that are selling for less than $25,000.
#234 of 512 Audi Navi System
May 30, 2002 (9:50 pm)
Does anyone have experience with the Audi Navi system? I have a 2001 TT Roadster. Frankly, the Navi system sucks. It is inaccurate and often gives bad directions. One time it just died on me and the dealer replaced it with a new unit.
I have complained to dealer a number times and they don't seem to find a problem. I think it is their Blaupunkt system. It is the pits. Alpine, which is used by Acura, is way better.
May 31, 2002 (9:59 am)
Regarding your statement; "probably the fastest TT is the 180 fwd coupe. This is because of it being a little over 300 pounds lighter than the 225 coupe with quattro", you might want to do a little more research.
According to Audi's TT brochure, (and verified by Car&driver, Road&Track and Motor Trend magazines tests), the 225 TT is both quicker and faster than the 180hp version. While it's true that the 225 Quattro Roadster outweighs the 180 FWD Coupe by 552 lbs, it still has a superior horsepower to weight ratio (16.23 lbs/hp vs. 15.44 for the Roadster). Add in the Quattro's ability to put all that additional power to the ground and you end up with a serious performance advantage:
180 FWD Coupe 0-60= 7.6 seconds top speed 130*
225 Q Roadster 0-60= 6.7 seconds: top speed 143*
*Top speeds mechanically limited on both cars, but given two cars with virtually identical Cd and similar gearing, top speed is limited primarily by horsepower.
Only the 225 Coupe is quicker than the 225 Roadster and only marginally so: 6.3 secs 0-60.
I won't even begin to get into a discussion of the handling advantages of Quattro versus FWD! What it comes down to is that if you want the quickest, fastest, best-handling TT available, the 225 Q Coupe is the obvious choice. Make it a Roadster and you'll get to enjoy the wind in your hair too.
#236 of 512 Good points vinnyny!
May 31, 2002 (8:04 pm)
I think I got caught using a little hyperbole. You are right that all the car magazines show speed advantages to the 225 quattro. And when one uses a term like "fastest", as I did, one usually thinks in terms of 0-60 times.
My main disagreement with you is in vastness of the superiority between the 225cq and the 180c fwd. Keep in mind I own a 2000 180 coupe with quattro.
Let us say as an example, a car traveling at a certain speed has to brake, or slow down to enter a turn and accelerate as it leaves the turn. A car that is 300 plus pounds lighter than another car, all other things being equal, will be able to apply his brakes later into the turn and will be able to start speeding up sooner on its way out of the same turn. Also it should have less momentum than the heavier car in the turn itself and should be able to travel the same arc at a greater speed. If all other things are equal.
Obviously though, the haldex quattro system the TT uses helps the 225, but you should really drive the 180 fwd sometime (if you have not already)it really does handle very well. That is at least on dry surfaces. And while I have no hard evidence other than just seat of my pants experience and feel, I think the two cars are a little closer in performance than you would have us believe. And if one throws in a APR chip, I would love to see how the 180 fwd matches up with the a stock 225 0-60 or otherwise.
Also for the potential buyers, I again assert that there are used TT's out on the market that offer impressive savings and that the original steering feel of the first year is much sought after by lovers of this beautiful car.
Meanwhile, I have probubly one of the slowest TT's, but I too love the quattro. Especially on a night like this in South Florida where it is raining like mad. BTW, I would love to hear you discuss the advantages of the quattro system.
Lastly, are you still living in Florida? If so where?