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Nissan Maxima, Sedan
#285 of 859 MAXIMA VS. OTHER CHOICES
May 20, 2005 (9:41 am)
Posted on 05/03/05 my actual price paid and buying experience, thought I'd add why I thought the 2005 Maxima SL (with sunroof, VDC, DPP, SIRIUS radio, floor/trunk mats & splash guards) was the best choice for ME. I stress that as, of course, anyone's choice depends on their own key criteria, as well as subjective evaluations.
First off, I was replacing a '97 Dodge Intrepid. And my key decision criteria in '05 was not disimilar from '97. As a 48 year-old family man with two (now teenage) sons, and someone who purchases cars and plans to keep for many years, I decided I still wanted and needed a family sedan and valued most (not in any particular order): Reliability and safety (VDC important), family size (rear seat room, trunk), looks / sportiness, and initial cost ($30K or under). The Maxima met all these criteria and more. I didn't choose the following cars because of the following reasons:
TOYOTA AVALON: Even more back seat room than the Maxima and as reliable, but didn't like looks, drives like a livingroom, is marketed as basically "an old(er) man's car," and cost thousands more comparably equipped.
ACURA TL: Colleague at work bought one in February, have driven in it a number of times since. Great car. But Consumer Reports (CR) lists reliability as only average (Maxima is very good, a shade under excellent), TL more expensive, smaller back seat and trunk, back seat doesn't fold down.
VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT: Average reliability at BEST. Whole Volkswagen line not good reliability per CR. Otherwise, I thought an excellent car from a feature / function standpoint. But fairly bland looks.
NISSAN ALTIMA: Reliability average. No VDC. Didn't like looks as much as Maxima. But was less expensive with many similar traits, i.e. rear seat room.
TOYOTA CAMRY: Excellent reliability and car, size of rear seat and trunk, comporable cost, maybe even a bit less. But find the looks very bland, just simply did not want the car so many others on the road drive.
HONDA ACCORD: Similar to Camry analysis above, although no VDC option and reliability above average, not excellent. A bit sportier handling and looks than the Camry, but still neither as good as the Maxima. No heated outside mirrors, smaller trunk as well.
Did for a short time look at some small SUV's, but decided another family sedan was best for me. However, if I had bought one, the Honda CRV would have been my clear-cut choice over the Ford Escape, Subaru Forester or Toyota RAV-4, based mostly on excellent reliability, much bigger back seat (leg room) than anything else (even mid-size SUV's), great feature in that the rear seats recline up to 45 degrees, cargo space, transmission, gas mileage and VDC.
One last item: I bought my Maxima in Spirited Bronze with Cafe Latte (camel) leather interior. Love the bronze / pewter color to begin with, let alone its uniqueness. Liked this exterior / interior color comibination better than any available in the six other cars listed above.
To each his own, but hope others find this helpful!
#286 of 859 Re: Maxima MSRP of $32150 [thenebean]
May 23, 2005 (8:06 am)
Pa. and Nj. appear to have a glut of 12/04 2005 Maxima that have the traction control standard but do not have the last price increase>
Packages and Options
Driver Preferred Package $800
Power Glass Sunroof $900
Splash Guards $120
Carpeted Floor & Trunk Mats $150 ((( price went up to 160 I believe)))
Base MSRP $29,600.00 ((( not the price went up I believe to 29,750)))
Total Packages, Options, & Accessories $1,970.00
Destination & Handling $580.00
Total MSRPć $32,150.00
#287 of 859 I NEED IMMEDIATE ADVICE!!
May 23, 2005 (1:19 pm)
2004 Maxima SL, fully loaded except navigation, 7500 miles.
asking price is $24,991. dealer says he would only go down to $23,991. Is this a good deal? He's not willing to negotiate any more than that and the car is beautiful!!!!!
#288 of 859 Re: I NEED IMMEDIATE ADVICE!! [angelaw1]
May 23, 2005 (3:03 pm)
Look up Edmunds TMV on the used car part of the website and input your zip code and options on the vehicle. That will give you a start. You can also ask Terry over on the Real World Trade In Values (people also ask about asking prices for slightly used cars there).
#289 of 859 Re: I NEED IMMEDIATE ADVICE!! [angelaw1]
May 23, 2005 (5:53 pm)
sunroof, driver preferred package, splash guards, carpeted mats?
the SL invoice without above on a 2005 is only 27,782 (most are between 150 and 300 less if they have been sitting there before price increases 27,482) - 1250 cash back is 26,232 . If you get a new one for 500 under invoice, 25,732. So for 1,740 you could have a new one. If any of the above is on it then, add the invoice price of the options on the 2005. Most 2005s also have traction control standard.
#290 of 859 Re: I NEED IMMEDIATE ADVICE!! [angelaw1]
May 24, 2005 (2:58 am)
Angelaw1 Sorry if I was unclear in my above post. Basically, I think for 1,700 bucks more you could have a new 2005 rather than pay almost 24,000 for a used 2004. I started looking for a used 2004 three weeks ago and got such crappy pricing that i bought a new 2005 last night.
#291 of 859 slightly used or new? (Jmirav)
May 24, 2005 (5:24 am)
But the prices you gave were without options, while the poster found a fully loaded '04. Edmunds TMV with options was right around that price -- it sounds pretty good to me. You would be talking more like $ 3-4000 more for a new '05 with those options, which is significant.
#292 of 859 Re: I NEED IMMEDIATE ADVICE!! [jmirav]
May 24, 2005 (6:03 am)
Actually, it does have all of the options except the sunroof. Last night I went to a couple of dealers to find a 2004 SE, no one had any, both tried to sell me a 2005 base SE for 24,000.
#293 of 859 Re: slightly used or new? (Jmirav) [suydam]
May 24, 2005 (9:47 am)
"fully loaded" what does that mean? That is exactly why I gave him/her the base and then said add the options back in. Not having the sunroof would not seem to be fully loaded to me and it doesn't have the Elite Package. Anyway, those three options driver preferred package 694, splash guards 92, carpeted mats 113 add up to another 899 bucks. So for another 2639 you have a new car. That is assuming you get the new deal for 500 under invoice. If you have more than 5 dealers within 50 mile radius, you will do even better than that.
#294 of 859 Re: I NEED IMMEDIATE ADVICE!! [angelaw1]
May 24, 2005 (11:19 am)
Here is what I would do:
get a copy of the used car's invoice or at least its sticker for all of the options.
Run those same options through edmunds for a 2005 SL with those options.
Get the invoice price; email exactly what you want to 5 to 8 dealers; ask them for there best price below invoice. Say you want to buy within 48 hours.
If any do not respond, call them and say you have not responded to by email. REFUSE TO GO to the dealership. When they tell you on the phone that they are not sure what email you are referring to, list each option, tell them to write it down and tell them to fax you the work up on your proposal with the invoice including ALL dealer fees. Be polite but firm.
If they give you crap, mention that your brother works for WXXX radio as a producer and he was just talking about doing a story "dealing with car dealers" and he was just asking you to give your experience - then ask the salesperson how to spell their last name. OK you don't have to do this; just say you are off my list.
After you got an email price, and a day or so has passed, email everyone and say "I got pricing and you need to beat 300 under to earn my business" (this number should be your best price- example 200- plus an extra hundred - I am not telling to lie because rightfully so if dealer ABC first told you 200 under, you would not buy from dealer XYZ for just matching it).
Depending where you live, you will get below 500 under without more than a day or so passing.