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Replying to: blueiedgod (Jun 28, 2004 3:36 am) One other thing, with regard to comparable cars: I traded in a 2002 Protege'5 (the new 3's predecessor) when I got my new VW. The P5's handling was indeed wonderful for such a reasonably priced car, but the 130HP engine was to the VR6 what my golf game is to that of, say, Tiger Woods. Granted, they bumped the 3 hatchback up to 160HP, but that's what the Civic SI is pushing, and I've already said how that compared. Initial build quality in my VR6 is better than good, as far as I'm concerned. Matter of fact, it's in better shape after a month than my P5 was (I'd already gotten an annoying door rattle at that point). Anyway, for what it's worth, I don't regret a thing, and I love driving my car every single time I get into it. Hope this helps...
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Replying to: mutarjim (Jun 28, 2004 4:51 pm) I agree with other comments about their pitiful service reputation, but I believe all majors issues responsible for their spike downward in reliability have been dealt with. The build quality is most certainly excellent as is the quality and tasteful execution of the interior. They are simply more car for the money! |
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The build quality is most certainly excellent as is the quality and tasteful execution of the interior. They are simply more car for the money! A low-option 1.8T is a decent value, even though I think the Si is a better one (at discount). A $25k VR6 is a great car, but I wouldn't describe it as more car for the money.
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Replying to: muffin_man (Jun 29, 2004 8:58 am)
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Replying to: mutarjim (Jun 29, 2004 2:05 pm) $10K is not a bit more money to most people. If I were after the HP numbers, I could turbo or supercharge the Si for $3000-$4000 and give the $25K VR6 run for its money.
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...came out yesterday. VW was in the bottom five - Ouch! Only Isuzu, Kia, Daewoo, and Land Rover were worse. Pity VW quality can't match their strong engineering and design. Toyota and Honda were once again the top two.
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Jun 30, 2004 3:40 am) I'll further concede that the Si represents a fantastic compromise between performance and economics, which makes it a more practical choice from the standpoint of affordability. But in all honesty, I bought my VR6 not so much for the sticker price (though to say "money was no object" would be a flat out lie), but because it's one heck of a fun car to drive. In short, by the time you finish hopping up an Si, you'll not only have closed the gap with my VR6 in performance, but you'll darn near have closed the gap in cost, as well. |
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Replying to: riopelle (Jun 30, 2004 5:40 am) |
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I didn't link the story because I am never quite sure about the link rules on Edmunds. The story is on the front page of the New York Times website (nytimes.com), and CNN picked it up as well. Hope that helps. |
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mutarjim- The VR6 is kind of a unique package, and I think its two closest competitors are the 1.8T and the R32. The VR6 is luxurious, and has a V6, something that can't be said with any other hatchback in its price range. If you want a hatchback with the unique characteristics of the VR6, your choices are pretty limited. I love hatchbacks, I think its a great car. On the other hand... The performance of the VR6 is probably among the lowest of the cars I listed in a previous post (although significantly faster than the Si in a straight line). An RSX-S is comparably fast in a straight line, and a better handler. Between the cheap rear suspension setup, the heavy VR6 in front, and 300 more pounds than the Si has to carry (3036 vs. 2782), the VR6 really isn't a top handler. Throw the reliability card in, and it's kind of a tough call. That said, it _is_ fast, rides well, nice wheels, great interior, tons of standard features, looks great, and has a ton of torque. In addition, you paid $8,000 more than I did for my Si ($15,980). That is more than a bit more money. The list price is not quite accurate when it comes to the new Si. That said, I did not get side airbags. $8000 +$800 extra in tax and license +premium gas +lower gas mileage (26/30 vs. 21/30) adds up to a lot of money. I think that $17,000 is a more realistic price for the Si right now though. Like I said, you drive a _GREAT_ car, no doubt about it - I can't knock the package, it only suffers when compared to a car that gives you more for your dollar. But if you break it down into numbers, it's a pretty poor value. blueiedgod- The $3400 RevHard turbo kit would make the Civic Si _mucH_ faster than the VR6. People are putting 265 at the wheels with that kit. One guy (on the 02+ Civic Si board) is running 13.3 on stock tires and transmission w/ no LSD. |
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