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VW's have good ergonomics and the 1.8T is a brilliant engine. However, VW reliabilty and customer service is notorious for a good reason. Why have VW's sales plummeted in 04? Word of mouth on their horrible build quality and arrogant customer service. As the former owner of a GTI and a New Beetle, I can attest to both. Have you looked at the Focus SVT, Acura RSX, or Mazda 3S hatch? They are all much better handlers and much more fun than anything in VW's stable. Good luck with your purchase. |
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Jun 28, 2004 3:36 am) One other thing, with regard to comparable cars: I traded in a 2002 Protege'5 (the new 3's predecessor) when I got my new VW. The P5's handling was indeed wonderful for such a reasonably priced car, but the 130HP engine was to the VR6 what my golf game is to that of, say, Tiger Woods. Granted, they bumped the 3 hatchback up to 160HP, but that's what the Civic SI is pushing, and I've already said how that compared. Initial build quality in my VR6 is better than good, as far as I'm concerned. Matter of fact, it's in better shape after a month than my P5 was (I'd already gotten an annoying door rattle at that point). Anyway, for what it's worth, I don't regret a thing, and I love driving my car every single time I get into it. Hope this helps...
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Replying to: mutarjim (Jun 28, 2004 4:51 pm) I agree with other comments about their pitiful service reputation, but I believe all majors issues responsible for their spike downward in reliability have been dealt with. The build quality is most certainly excellent as is the quality and tasteful execution of the interior. They are simply more car for the money! |
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The build quality is most certainly excellent as is the quality and tasteful execution of the interior. They are simply more car for the money! A low-option 1.8T is a decent value, even though I think the Si is a better one (at discount). A $25k VR6 is a great car, but I wouldn't describe it as more car for the money.
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Replying to: muffin_man (Jun 29, 2004 8:58 am)
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Replying to: mutarjim (Jun 29, 2004 2:05 pm) $10K is not a bit more money to most people. If I were after the HP numbers, I could turbo or supercharge the Si for $3000-$4000 and give the $25K VR6 run for its money.
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...came out yesterday. VW was in the bottom five - Ouch! Only Isuzu, Kia, Daewoo, and Land Rover were worse. Pity VW quality can't match their strong engineering and design. Toyota and Honda were once again the top two.
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Jun 30, 2004 3:40 am) I'll further concede that the Si represents a fantastic compromise between performance and economics, which makes it a more practical choice from the standpoint of affordability. But in all honesty, I bought my VR6 not so much for the sticker price (though to say "money was no object" would be a flat out lie), but because it's one heck of a fun car to drive. In short, by the time you finish hopping up an Si, you'll not only have closed the gap with my VR6 in performance, but you'll darn near have closed the gap in cost, as well. |
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Replying to: riopelle (Jun 30, 2004 5:40 am) |
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I didn't link the story because I am never quite sure about the link rules on Edmunds. The story is on the front page of the New York Times website (nytimes.com), and CNN picked it up as well. Hope that helps. |
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