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Hatchbacks Best Hot Hatch - SVT, Civic Si, GTI, RSX, Mini, Beetle...
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Replying to: mutarjim (Jun 27, 2004 2:05 pm) |
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A) I'm willing to bet you can get an Si for at least $2500 less than a GTI 1.8T, and a lot, lot less than a VR6. Mutarijim got his for some amount under $25k, and no doubt it is a great car, but that is a lot of money, in a very competitive group. About $7k more than you could get an Si for. Think about what kind of performance is important for you - for that price you could be driving a Evolution RS. If you are into modifying your car, a revhard turbo is $3400 installed (if you are in Los Angeles, install not included elsewhere), and will put you into the low/mid 13s. B) I like the handling, shifter, and seats, much better on the Si. C) Either GTI is markedly faster than the Si, so if straight line is your thing, the Si is the wrong car. (unless you want to add a turbo) D) The GTI does come with nice leather and bigger wheels - but for the price, I'd rather pick my own wheels, and I prefer grippy cloth seats (like the Si) to leather seats (in a sporty-type car) anyway. I think the GTI (both versions) are great touring-type cars. Powerful, and comfortable. I don't think they are the best handlers, and they are pretty expensive. |
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Replying to: mutarjim (Jun 27, 2004 2:05 pm) A VW Golf for $25K is a little pricey for "Peoples car." Now, an Audi A2 (or 3, whatever the Golf in Audi disguise is) for that price is a good deal.
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If you want to spend $25k on a hatchback, the GTI VR6 is the only choice. But $25k buys a lot of car these days. Evolution RS Mazdaspeed Miata RX8 Subaru WRX Acura RSX-S Acura TSX MR-2 Spyder Cooper S SRT-4 Celica GT-S |
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VW's have good ergonomics and the 1.8T is a brilliant engine. However, VW reliabilty and customer service is notorious for a good reason. Why have VW's sales plummeted in 04? Word of mouth on their horrible build quality and arrogant customer service. As the former owner of a GTI and a New Beetle, I can attest to both. Have you looked at the Focus SVT, Acura RSX, or Mazda 3S hatch? They are all much better handlers and much more fun than anything in VW's stable. Good luck with your purchase. |
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Jun 28, 2004 3:36 am) One other thing, with regard to comparable cars: I traded in a 2002 Protege'5 (the new 3's predecessor) when I got my new VW. The P5's handling was indeed wonderful for such a reasonably priced car, but the 130HP engine was to the VR6 what my golf game is to that of, say, Tiger Woods. Granted, they bumped the 3 hatchback up to 160HP, but that's what the Civic SI is pushing, and I've already said how that compared. Initial build quality in my VR6 is better than good, as far as I'm concerned. Matter of fact, it's in better shape after a month than my P5 was (I'd already gotten an annoying door rattle at that point). Anyway, for what it's worth, I don't regret a thing, and I love driving my car every single time I get into it. Hope this helps...
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Replying to: mutarjim (Jun 28, 2004 4:51 pm) I agree with other comments about their pitiful service reputation, but I believe all majors issues responsible for their spike downward in reliability have been dealt with. The build quality is most certainly excellent as is the quality and tasteful execution of the interior. They are simply more car for the money! |
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The build quality is most certainly excellent as is the quality and tasteful execution of the interior. They are simply more car for the money! A low-option 1.8T is a decent value, even though I think the Si is a better one (at discount). A $25k VR6 is a great car, but I wouldn't describe it as more car for the money.
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Replying to: muffin_man (Jun 29, 2004 8:58 am)
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Replying to: mutarjim (Jun 29, 2004 2:05 pm) $10K is not a bit more money to most people. If I were after the HP numbers, I could turbo or supercharge the Si for $3000-$4000 and give the $25K VR6 run for its money.
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