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#782 of 894 SUV as family vehicle by dudka Sep 04, 2003 (7:49 am)
I highly doubt that people need 9 people seating capacity for a family of 4 (2 parents and 2 children) Most of the times I see SUV's, they are driven by a one female parental unit with the child strappe din the car seat in the middle of the rear seat. Are you telling me that she could not have fit the car seat and baby in an Accord, or Protege5? What about Cute-utes? A CR-V can haul 5 people with their luggage, while getting 25-28 mpg.   The reason they don't have SUV's in Europe is not the gas prices alone. They are taxed annualy based on the engine displacement. So a big haulking V8 will cost $2000 a year in taxes. I believe CT is the only state in the US that has annual property tax on cars. It is based on the value not on displacemnt, but still I paid $600 last year. An owner of a $50K vehicle, be it SUV or luxury car, pays about $1500-2000 a year. Now if they started charging tax beased on engine displacement, then we would have some sort of correlation to Europe.   Fish8, I used to live in The Bronx, and still visit as my family still lives there. You would not belive the number of white Escalades with gold rims and gold trim I see there, on top of the white Suburbans, and white Navigators. They are the worst, they all have aftermarket HID's that are out of focus, and when they are either approaching toward you of from behind, there is no where to hid from the piercing light.   I really hope the rising prices just force SUV's to stay home. Price increase from $1.60/gal to $2.00 changed my weekly gas allownce from $13 to $15. I bet you SUV owners are going to feel it when their credit card bills come in at the end of the month.   The real reason I hate large SUV's is that I can't see past them. When I was taught how to drive I was always told to look ahead, not right infornt, but ahead. To anticipate the un-expected. I was behind Hummer the other day. The only way I could see ahead was by lowering my head to see through under the Hummer.
#783 of 894 dudka by fish8 Sep 04, 2003 (8:26 am)
I agree about trying to look around an SUV. It is a royal pain. I also agree that if all you need to carry is 1 child and none of the "extras" a full size SUV is not necessary. But, if you have children you will know what I mean, there is much more to carry than a child. Stroller, toys, pack 'N play etc.......   Believe me, we used to have a 1998 Accord and there was no way we could lug all our crap around. So, my Wife wanted a Tahoe and we bought one. And so far we/she loves it. Before my son was born, I looked at SUV's and thought the exact same thing as you. Why does anyone need that much car.   Dudka: Do you have any children?   I think we are getting a little off topic.....
#784 of 894 fish8 by muffin_man Sep 04, 2003 (9:24 am)
Minivan!
#785 of 894 muffin man by fish8 Sep 04, 2003 (9:42 am)
good suggestion! I actually suggested that, but my Wife will not be caught dead in one.......I personally like the Honda Odessey.
#786 of 894 by capitano Sep 04, 2003 (10:09 am)
but my Wife will not be caught dead in one...   Isn't that the crux of the SUV "problem?"   People need/want flexibility and capacity of a minivan, but since the image of the minivan is domesticated, dowdy, frumpy, stale, whatever, they opt for the SUV because it means they are independent, in control, have an active lifestyle etc. Nevermind that the facts of their lives aren't going to change. They aren't going to suddenly get into biking, hiking, rollerblading, base jumping, or any other outdoorsy activity simply because they bought a behemoth.   Instead of bling bling escalades, we need some sporty minivans like they have in Europe.
#787 of 894 capitano by fish8 Sep 04, 2003 (10:23 am)
I TOTALLY agree with you. Minivans are more practical and consume less petrol. But, my Wife is the primary driver and therefore we bought the Tahoe. But, I am glad to say, my 2.0 Jetta tries to make up the difference is MPG.
#788 of 894 by muffin_man Sep 04, 2003 (12:09 pm)
new forum name - Best Hot Minivan
#789 of 894 by qbrozen Sep 04, 2003 (1:19 pm)
you folks need to move this over to the "i don't like SUVs why do you" topic. Its a real hotbed for exactly this discussion.   That's why I won't even go into the fact that my wife's 8-passenger SUV gets almost the same mileage my sedan does as well as most minivans. You can read it all over there in past posts.   Besides, if all of us here were about saving gas, we wouldn't be looking at "hot hatches," we'd be getting their more economical counterparts. "Down with the gas-sucking Si and up with the Civic Hybrid!!"
#790 of 894 no kids by dudka Sep 04, 2003 (4:38 pm)
No, I don't have kids. You have to have a wife to have kids first, lol   Minivans are not feul thrifty at all. They may best the SUV's by a gallon or two. I mean Ford windstar is rated 17/22 or something. It is as heavy as some lighter SUV's.   I agree, this is not the forum for "Ihate SUV's" So I will stop.
#791 of 894 Best micro-minivan: by rivertown Sep 04, 2003 (6:31 pm)
Honda Civic Si

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