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Hatchbacks Best Hot Hatch - SVT, Civic Si, GTI, RSX, Mini, Beetle...
894 messages, Last post on Nov 12, 2008 at 6:09 PM
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I just saw an article about the 2002 Geneva Motor Show and one of the new cars featured was the hatchback Porsche Cayenne. It's being billed as an SUV, but it definitely looks more like a four-door hatchback and not a particularly sporty one at that. It looks a bit retro to me. The Turbo version has a 4.5-liter twin turbocharged V8 rated at 450 horsepower. The S has a 4.5-liter V8 producing 340 horsepower. P.S. The name is not terribly spicy either. I'm a major foodie and cayenne for a car just seems to lack punch. |
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The WRX. It's in the same price range as the VR6, Celica GTS, RSX Type-S, etc. It now becomes the rocket of the bunch. Get into the interior, it doesn't have the GTI sophistication. Congrats on the GTI mbeards2. You did get the 5-speed manual right? (Note there is a 5-speed automatic tiptronic also, very nice transmission, complements the engine pretty well). 7,000 more miles until I Upsolute my 02 TDI!!! |
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| Have you guys had any problems with your GTI's/Golf's? I hear great things about VW build quality but not very good things about their build durability. I heard a rumor a while back that VW also had a new Karman Ghia or Scirocco in the works? | |
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| a modern Scirocco or Corrado! | |
| I think it would be better to call it a Karman Ghia since more people probably remember the name of that car, but it could go either way. | |
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I think these are the top two. The rest are too expensive for what you get or are just plain bad performers. The best choice for you depends on your style - the SVT is a road course car. It makes up for it's average acceleration and power by having top-notch handling. The Car and Driver review shows this - it was the fastest car around the track. - the GTI is a car for stoplight driving and for fitting in with the [how do you say trendy without invoking negative connotations?] crowd. It's possibly the best looking and the interior blows everything else out of the water. A few months after the release of the SVT, the aftermarket will have plenty of go-fast options. I suspect that if you increase the power of the SVT to GTI levels and increase the handling of the GTI to SVT levels, you'll have two awesome cars that are within $1000 or $2000 of each other, both of which will embarrass plenty of Mustang and Camaro owners. |
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"Fashionable" is the word I believe you were looking for. I read a review somewhere, or maybe it was a post on here, that these new hatches and sport coupes out accelerate the standard 60's muscle cars despite the hp difference. Now this excludes those barely street legal Hemi's but they didn't make that many of those anyway. It makes me wonder what all the fuss from the gottta-have-a-big-engine people is all about. |
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| I picked up my 5 speed GTI last night. Though I have not punched it yet(new engine), the turbo has an addicting quiet whistle. It kicks in about 2500rpm with a smooth rush. The car is built like a vault. Many nice touches that make it luxurious. The seats are very adjustable and the steering column tilts AND telescopes. Using the heated seats this morning was like get a back massage! I agree that the luxury stoplight drag racer is the GTI, while the SVT kicks on the curves. I think the SVT looks better too on the outside. For me the 0-60mph of 6.5sec, best interior, award winning 20v 1.8T motor and high resale swayed me over to VW. Also, a $400 chip boost turbo PSI(voids your warranty) to give you 200+ HP. The SVT would need a lot more money to get to 200hp. | |
| The subaru wrx was more than I wanted to spend- it was going for around $23K while my GTI came to $19750. My wife has a 1999 subaru forester suv and it is nice and reliable. If you are considering the $23K Acura RSX-s, you should look into the WRX too. I wanted to come under $20K and compared not the MSRP prices but the carsdirect.com price which seems like an accurate estimate of what a dealer will sell the car for. Resale value is very important. In 5 years some cars will trade in at $3000 while another make will get $5000! One more expense to consider is insurance rates for the model. | |
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| Jackson Racing has a supercharger for the SVT that should put it at 230 or so crank HP. However, the JR supercharger for the regular Focus is about $2600, so the SVT version is likely to be priced at $3000ish. This would put it $1500 or so higher than a chipped GTI. You should be able to do a lot to the GTI's suspension for $1500! | |
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