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As 'rev' noted, the GT-S is a DOHC four cylinder with VVTi and either 6-speed manual or four-speed e-shift transmission. It produces 180 hp. The Matirx and Vibe share the same platform, and only the styling is different. I like both, although I prefer the more carlike styling of the Matrix. the Vibe should do very well, and there is no way for Pontiac to mess it up -- they will be built at the plant they share with Toyota in California. Toyota and GM have had a good working relationship for years, and will continue to for some time to come. They're sharing technology in other ways, including using the GM OnStar system at Lexus. They are also working together on alternate fuel technologies. |
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Sorry, what I meant to say is the V6 in the Japanese Version of the Celica GT-S...it's also the same one in the Lexus IS300. (On a side note, the Japanese Toyota model called the Alteza IS the IS300's twin, only with a 160HP Four (probably the US Celica's engine). Sometimes things don't make it from my brain to the keyboard. HOWEVER...they are supposed to put a V6 in the US GT-S by 2003, but it will be a different (and probably better) V6 than the above one. I'm going by what I was told at the NY auto show...the VIBE GT they had there was a V6...but still marked 'prototype'...the Matrix also had a V6 (as 'optional')... I was being a little sarcastic about GM crappifying it....I know the Corolla and Prizm come outof the same plant, HOWEVER..if you drive both of them within a short time..you can definetly feel a difference. The Corolla feels way more refined than the Prizm, and more quiet....no it's not in my head, many people have said this. The Corolla probably has some extra 'sound deadening' and some other features that make it better. Also, if you compare the interiors of the two...they are a little different. I expect the same with the Vibe and the Matrix...I'm sure the Matrix will 'feel' better.
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'Cause that's what I'm buying! I've had three Pontiacs, though, and loved them too -- a '68 Firebird 350, '69 Grand Prix SJ and '89 Firebird 350. Great road cars, and I adored the styling in all three. |
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Your getting a matrix huh? What is going to happen to the turbo rolla? njbongo... Where have you seen the japanese V6 celica? I think the real competition here is between the SVT focus, the civic si and the new GTI 1.8t. The GTI has the comfort and interior design the civic has the build quality and the ford has the price. I want to know how much each of these are going to weigh? |
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Isn't this a little premature to be talking about vehicles that [for the most part] are not even on sale [here] yet? We only think they are going to be "hot." Personally, I think the pictures I have seen of the Matrix and the Vibe show that the Matrix is the one suffering from "Aztek" disease and not very "hot". Surprising considering that Matrix is the Toyota offering and Vibe is the GM offering. Then again, maybe I shouldn't be surprised. Toyota did give us the Echo, after all. ; ) |
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| Doesn't the IS300 have a straight 6 and not a V6? Or is that also a Japan only deal? I, too would like to know where you saw this V6 GT-S, sounds very interesting. | |
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Man, someone driving a Ford should not be criticizing gm - they both suck big time. Check you tires and watch CNN for today's recall before you head out. No wonder these guys are losing their market. Vibe is a better looking car than matrix which looks like it has been 'pontiaced'. On the other hand, it appears they are going to play games with the engine/drivetrain choices. Don't get hopes up too high. |
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I read it at http://www.toyota.co.jp...look under concepts section. Also, if you search through the US Sites 'news', it mentions the V6 going on sale in JP for 2002.
Well, I looked at the Lexus website, and it does say inline six....I was slo going by what the Toyota guy at the NY Auto show was saying, maybe he was confused. You Alteza (IS300) at the above site.
Either way, regardless of what engines the final versions of the Vibe and Matrix have...they are still the same car with slightly different 'faces'.
And zircon.....I'll have to disagree with you on a few things. First off, Ford may not be the best carmaker of all time, but out of the American companies...I'll tke my chances with them when compared to Chrysler or GM. Secondly, have you ever actually read anything about the Firestone tire recall? It doesn't affect CARS, unless of course you have mounted Wilderness AT Tires on your car. Have you? And also, that is more Firestone's fault than Ford's and Ford has also taken a loss to ensure that ALL of those tires are placed. I'm curious though, while you trashing Ford, what are you driving? |
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| Actually firestone is blaming ford now from what I last heard. Something like they asked firestone to build tires to a certain spec level even though it was not good enough to handle the weight of their suv's. Why they would do that I don't know. I am not sure I believe it since firestone has been guilty of this same problem in the past I think more than once. Anyway firestone is now going to seperate themselves from ford so you don't have to worry about getting a ford with firestones for much longer. | |
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I'm selling the Rolla to reduce my debt-to-income ratio (I'm refinancing my house). Toysport is planning to buy it off of me to keep it as their project car. We'll see what happens. I thought about taking the turbo off and putting it on the Matrix, but I'll probably just put a high-boost system on it when the time comes. I think it's the perfect car for my needs right now. |
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