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#2468 of 2734 2009 535i - are they ALL lemons??
Feb 09, 2010 (6:27 pm)
The 2009/10 E60 with N54 is an amazing vehicle - when it runs. In the past 5 years, I've purchased a 645, 750, and two 5s, all brand new. Never a single issue with any, until the '09 535i (N54B30).
What a nightmare, and BMW NA refuses to even help. In 8 months (since I took delivery), the fuel pump failed (HPFP), water pump failed, fuel control system failed, each time a tow and an extended period out of service. Now the charging system won't charge the battery - 2 more tow trucks in the past 3 weeks. After a looong drive, it will hold the charge for about 4-days, then it's dead again. "Click". BMW Emergency Road Service is in my speed dial!
It's been "out of service" for 24 days (in 9-months) and BMW NA said "that's normal". Local dealer, where I purchased 4 NEW CARS, recommended I change my driving habits to accommodate the weak charging system, aka take longer trips. Hmmm, change my life because the car won't charge.....
My driving habits/trip length is identical in the 528i, which has never had a single problem.
Now I'm hearing about all kinds of buy-backs, lemon law-based arbitration cases, etc., due to these known problems with the N54. Yet they deny there's anything wrong with my unreliable lemon.
So how come BMW won't take this dog back (zero sum) and let me spend even more money on a nice new X-6??
#2469 of 2734 Oil Change Question
Feb 10, 2010 (9:36 am)
I have a 2000 528i manual tranny which I have always had serviced at the dealer until they told me they wanted $300 to replace the winshield washer motor and a reputable indy shop did it for $80! So yesterday I took it in for an oil change- this shop used Pentosynth 5w-40 which looks like it is ok (is it??)- but the main thing that got my attention is I am supposed to get it changed again in 5,000 miles- well I have never done that- I only put about 9,000 miles/yr on the car- not enough to put all the green lights out on the oil service indicator, so I have been having it changed once a year at the dealer. If I have to get it changed more than this because of this Pentosynth oil then it would be cheaper for me to go back to the dealer. Any advice would be appreciated.
#2470 of 2734 Re: 2009 535i - are they ALL lemons?? [vonrhett]
Feb 10, 2010 (3:40 pm)
Have you had a lawyer send a written notification to BMW NA? Depends what state you live in, but after so many attempts to fix an issue, the lemon law applies. Also if the car is out of service more than 30 days. I think you have 1 yr/12K miles for these events to occur.
My dealer has stated that there are issues with the HPFP on the twin turbos - 335, 535, etc.. I've also been asked if my battery has gone dead. I've had fuel injectors, HPFP, cylinders, etc. replaced. After the last fix, had major acceleration lag, especially off the line. Dealer couldn't find anything wrong, kept it for 8 days, but magically it is fine off the line, and I feel a slight lag as it shifts through the gears. it is not safe to drive as it has broken down like yours. Sometimes I travel into very cold areas with no cell service, so cannot take a chance on breaking down, and having to walk at least 10 miles in -28 degree weather.
My car is under consideration for the Lemon Law. Should get a response this month. If no from BMW NA, next step is BBB for arbitration, which is only binding to the dealer. You can then move onto a lawsuit. In the end you will recoup lawyer's fees, rental fees, etc. My suggestion is to have an attorney send the written notification to BMW NA - see section on this in your warranty manual - stating your intent to go the distance.
#2471 of 2734 Re: Oil Change Question [milner007]
Feb 10, 2010 (10:43 pm)
You should be good with an annual oil change; I've had the oil analyzed in my wife's X3 2.5 at almost every oil change and 9000 miles is a perfectly acceptable interval for any decent synthetic.
#2472 of 2734 Re: Oil Change Question [roadburner]
Feb 11, 2010 (9:20 am)
Thanks for your reply!
#2473 of 2734 Re: BMW 530i 2004 water leak!! [sportcourtguy]
Feb 11, 2010 (12:33 pm)
Thanks for the reply Sportcourtguy. How did you get them to pay?
Our first experience ended up with our vehicle being down 6 days and with no repair but the dealer charged us $300 to dry the car out and sugested a sunroof repair that would be over $1k but that they were not confident that it would solve the problem. Our service advisor (who is now no longer employed) told us that they cleaned out all of the drains and to let them know if it happens again. So in other words they did not find the problem.
It just rained this past Saturday and the car was again full of water on the passenger side. While it was still raining we took the car back to the dealer and the new service advisor was "shocked" to see the amount of water and put his "top" technician on it. Yesterday the service advisor calls and asks me to come in because they found the problem. It turns out that under the hood on the passenger side they said that there were a bunch of leaves cloging the cabin filter drain and that water was overflowing from this and donw towards the heater box. From there it was landing on a tray with a chanel that enters the passenger side just under the dash which the tech explained to me is to allow air in to cool the ECU. This channel is filling up with water which then is pouring into the car! Now I am no engineer but this does not sound like a very good design. Also in looking at this water is going down into this area and there is nothing we can do to prevent this. Long story short they want over $2k now to dry out the car, replace the sub woofer that is completely under water along with everything else. They are unsure if any sensors are damaged so it may be more. We are not happy with this needless to say. Also there is nothing being done to address the source of the water intrusion. They ae telling us that they will take responsibility for the repair.....what repair?
#2474 of 2734 Re: Help [Mr_Shiftright]
Feb 15, 2010 (10:25 am)
I realize the posting above was almost three years ago, but my 2001 530i exhibits the same symptoms of the the Nikasil problem for M60 engines.
Was the M54B30 engine also a Nikasil engine?
#2475 of 2734 Re: Help [beolson]
Feb 15, 2010 (12:14 pm)
The I6 engines of the E39 line of cars did not use a lined cylinder as did the older V8 engines.
Feb 15, 2010 (12:25 pm)
Nope. What kind of miles are on your engine?
Feb 18, 2010 (12:46 pm)
on a 2000, 540i, the car smokes in the morning when first starts, any idea of the cause and repair. Thanks