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#87 of 116 Tires & Sport Pkg
Dec 28, 2003 (6:52 am)
Building off of what div2 wrote, "if you tend to drive with any sort of enthusiasm", then the only way to go is with the Sport Package. Going the Sport Pkg route will get you much better tires and they will be 3-seasons. I can't imagine wanting a BMW without getting the Sport Pkg. But if you get one without the Sport Pkg, did you ever really want to drive the car with "enthusiasm"?
#88 of 116 Re: Enthusiasm
Dec 29, 2003 (1:40 pm)
"I can't imagine wanting a BMW without getting the Sport Pkg. But if you get one without the Sport Pkg, did you ever really want to drive the car with "enthusiasm"?"
Riez, c'mon, you're narrowing out on us... you trashed my 530 w/o SP and hurt my feelings!! (just kiddin')
There are many who believe you can't drive any sedan with real "enthusiasm". I happen to be one of them. 5s are great road cruisers but they aren't sports cars. Their mass and mass distribution are no match for their muscle. Real sports cars have the balance of power and stability that provide the ultimate thrills. Then again, one man's enthusiasm is another man's ennui. As usual, it comes down to individual preference, and SP in a 5 although a notch better still leaves me thirsty. In addition, it's annoying on urban roads.
#89 of 116 Sport Sedans, not Sports Cars
Dec 29, 2003 (3:17 pm)
designman... Methinks you'll save a fortune by driving something like a used Chevy Malibu. Cheap transportation that won't bring an ounce of driving pleasure or enthusiasm.
Can't say I concur with your thoughts. Last time I checked, the weight distribution for the E39 and E60 5 Series is near perfect. Nor are their weights that bad, when you factor in the room for four and a decent trunk. Also, while an M5 is a lot more car for a lot more money, even a 5-speed manual 525i Sport can be an absolute blast to drive hard on twisting roads!
Think we are talking about apples and oranges. Seems like you are talking about lightweight cars like S2000, MR2, Miata, Elise, etc. Or maybe hardcore 2-seaters like Corvette or Viper. But that is NOT what a serious sport sedan is all about. These are sports cars.
Serious all around sport sedans like 5 Series, 3 Series, IS300, etc. are designed to be both great fun to drive hard and be practical enough for family use. That is my definition of a true multi-purpose vehicle. If you want to bring out their best, you have to go manual transmission, Sport Pkgs, etc. To do otherwise is to settle for less than the car can be.
But I can appreciate your comments. Can't wait till my pre-teens go to college. Love to have something like a supercharged Miata 6-speed manual!
#90 of 116 Apples and Oranges
Jan 01, 2004 (7:53 pm)
Riez, I agree that the pragmatic purchase usually rules. In my case the 530 family sedan was optioned for my wife. She loves it and drives rather civilly. But my ship came in yesterdayó02 Boxster S, 6-speed manual with 110 miles. Got it from a Porsche dealership as a new car purchase with full Porsche 4-yr/50k warranty for $42K.
I have always loved BMW sedans but Porsche is the one that presses my thrill buttons from performance to the minimal styling. Iíve been shopping since the summer and was really hot on getting a 993 911. It was a tough choice but I couldnít turn down that warranty and price. The resale on it down the road will be the same as those who paid $56K. Furthermore, there are many who believe the Boxster handles better than the 911. Since I don't have extensive flight time on either, Iím not qualified to get into this, but I do know that both are masters on the curves and, at 5.6 0-60 with max speed at 162, the Boxster S has plenty of kick.
Along the way I also ogled two gorgeous low-mileage M6s and an 01 M5 at $57K with... get this... 2,500 miles. The latter was real hard to walk away from. However, the sedan redundancy didnít work for me.
Now the task is to get my wife to appreciate the manual. If this happens, there could be an M5 sharing the garage with the roadster someday. No matter, Iíll count my blessings right now. A long time ago I told myself Iíd someday have a BMW and Porsche. Had to wait some 30 years but that dream came true yesterday.
BTW, that Elise is something else. Donít care for the styling but the internal anatomy and performance are real intriguing. Also, the S2000 was a strong contender... real fine roadster at a great price with Honda reliability. However, the Porsche pedigree has always been deeply rooted in my psyche... had to have it.
#91 of 116 PS - re: mass and mass distribution
Jan 01, 2004 (8:37 pm)
I was alluding to added weight and high vertical center of gravity on sedans as compared to sports cars, not the balance quality of any single model.
#92 of 116 Euro replacement lights
Mar 19, 2004 (10:32 pm)
I've got a 94 525i. I've seen several Euro lights for the front corner and rear tail lights on eBay. Are these a simple plug and play modifications or is there more to it?
#93 of 116 Ipod your BMW
Jun 28, 2004 (4:42 am)
Anyone have any info about when this gets released for 5-series?
#94 of 116 cd changer for e39 bmw
Jul 05, 2004 (8:37 am)
dealer wants $800 and I think that's ridiculous that the car doesn't already have one. I have at '03 530 and was wondering, how hard is it really to install myself? Would that void any warranties?
#95 of 116 x021627
Jul 06, 2004 (8:20 am)
Buy a BMW OEM changer online for $400. Do the easy install yourself, it takes about 30 minutes tops. That dealer is out of his mind to charge $800.
#96 of 116 545i Chip
Jul 21, 2004 (7:50 am)
Just bought a E60 and I'm wondering if anyone knows if there is a chip out there yet that adds HP (as if it doesn't go fast enough already!). I've never had a chip added to a car before so I'm also wondering if there are any pitfalls to doing so. Thanks for any suggestions!