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#31 of 145 Glad to see the Cinco comes with a tach... by csandste Sep 25, 2001 (2:21 pm)
That was one of the real drawbacks with the Rio sedan IMHO. Is this a model difference or do all '02's sedan and Cinco come that way?   Since the Cinco is listed as a hatch for the Canadian market, I still think it should be listed under both hatch and wagon topics.   My experience with driving a sedan last year was that the transmission feel (as in all Kias) was definitely sloppy/non-communicative. I don't remember this at all with my '88 Festiva. To me the platform really hasn't advanced that much in 13 years. Remember the Festiva as being more fun to drive.   The Cinco is getting into the same price range I paid for my Elantra GLS with 5 speed and group 2 (cruise and remote keying). I think I got a lot more car.   On the other hand the Cinco (especially in gold) looks a lot better to my eye than the Rio sedan.
#32 of 145 csandste-I've got that red Cinco firmly implanted by iluvmysephia1 Sep 25, 2001 (9:23 pm)
in my mind. It looked great with that wedge-shaped body the Cinco has. I'm back to wanting to test drive, probably will this Saturday afternoon. My dealership is waiting for me(I've e-mailed them ahead of time)and they have my current credit situation. If I want it I'll push for maximum trade-in for my '99 Sephia(!) It'll be interesting-I'll see how serious they are to move Kia's here in northern Washington state. I was concerned about my Boeing job but my manager seemed to think my job was secure. Trading in is back on, baby! I'll ask if the new 2002 Spectra's are in and test drive both of those as well. Yeah, the tachometer is an unexpected treat on the Cinco. Also, I think a person is getting a lot of car for $12-$13,000 in getting a Cinco. I'm curious how it powers up to freeway speeds. The Sephia does this fine and I want to see how Cinco's 1.5L 4-banger performs. I'll keep y'all posted!
#33 of 145 Well, I did it-except I went with a Sportage! by iluvmysephia1 Sep 30, 2001 (7:45 am)
We didn't even test drive the Cinco! I saw one on the lot. The only thing about it I didn't like just on first glance was that the feature list said it had an AM/FM/cassette player and a CD player. When I hopped in all I saw was a CD player. I wanted to test drive it but my wife didn't like it. She liked the Sportages. I did test drive a black Optima. What a nice car. This car was every bit the car that the Camry I rented about a year ago was. Just as smooth and quiet. This one had a power moonroof, leather seats and steering wheel, power everything, AM/FM cassette CD, etc. Loaded! Nice car but too much monthly payment. The new Spectra's weren't in yet but that didn't matter anyway. The wife didn't want another econobox. The finance guy asked if I minded driving a manual transmission in a Sportage. Of course I didn't mind. Over to the 4x4 Sportage's we trotted. We settled on a 2001 Sportage 4x4. Pepper red in color with power steering, locks, windows and 5-speed transmission. It has a theft-deterrent system and 4-wheel drive! This is perfect for us as we live close to Mt.Baker in northern Washington state and near all kinds of outdoor activities. The Sportage is fun to drive. It takes the bumps with authority. The ladder-frame gives the SUV a firm feel yet bumps are taken as little pitter-pats and barely move anything except the Hankook wilderness tires. Today we'll go get an AM/FM stereo CD/cassette player installed. Top priority for this afternoon! Now come the Sportage clubs and options galore! I can't wait! My wife and I feel like we've got the best vehicle we could have for our situation. Yahoo!!!
#34 of 145 Good for you, iluv... by cjaccetta Oct 02, 2001 (9:28 am)
Happy to hear that you're enjoying the new Sportage. That four wheel drive may come in handy this winter, no? Now you'll have to change your userID to "iluvmysportage".   We're still considering the Cinco as a second car. Had a scare this week when I thought my old Mustang died. Turned out it just needed a starter. We're keeping the Stang for a while longer so it looks like the Rio goes back into a holding pattern. If anyone makes a Cinco test drive, please post your thoughts here.
#36 of 145 I use to have a sportage: and to csandste by autoknologist Oct 04, 2001 (10:04 am)
Yes. i remember my wife's Blaze Red sportage with fondness. After a couple of minor trim related issues in the first few months of ownership. it was a great vehicle. Wait until you get to take it off road. The sportage, with its short overhangs and all coil suspension does outstanding off road. Especially considering that it rides well on the road too.( in case you didn't know, alot of the suspension developement work for the sportage was done by Ford for KIA). Alas, my wife loved it. However, there was one area which I did not like about it and ultimately led us to trade it in. Lack of room! I am a large fellow and although our family is small, we were always taking a friend(s) of my daughters on outings and there just wasn't enough room for all of our stuff (although KIA makes an extended version that they sell outside north america). Also, with a full load of people and stuff, another 30 HP would have been nice. When climbing up our long grade to the high desert, the trans had to constantly downshift to keep up a good head of speed (we had the Auto Trans) For 2 people and with the manual trans, a great choice for fun times. Now as far as the tach issue goes. Unfortunately, as far as I know, only the Cinco comes with the it. Not yet available in the sedan. (the same goes for the cnetral power locking, Cinco only) Also, I have to say that I think that the Cinco name is a little lame. I think more sporting would have been to call it the Rio SportHatch, or the RIO WagonBack (though Saab might have been unhappy about this one). But Cinco. Iyah!, kind of a silly name. (Cinco, 5 doors.) Hmmm. Note; Even KIA of Canada does not the name, there version is called the RIO Rx-V, or Rx-V Sport. Also, in Canada, the sport version of the Rx-V's come with Power Locks, Power Mirrors, and Power Windows. A power sunroof is available as an option. Again, things that make you go Hmmmm. But overall, I really love my Rio Sporthatch. It gets great mileage (avg of 33 mpg fwy speeds that are, shall I say, a TAD above the posted 65 and while pulling a grade, with the air on!) Oh the A/C, gets VERY cold. Best Air I have had in a small car. Well, till another time. Thanks for reading my post.
#37 of 145 Speaking of the Sportage... by csandste Oct 07, 2001 (3:13 pm)
Although you like yours and Iluvmysephia likes his, there seems to be almost no posts on it (last time I looked). In fact, I think the entire thread disappeared.   I'm interested because a friend of my daughter is thinking about buying one. Frankly I was suprised when I drove one, cheap but appealing in a crude sort of way. Didn't like the shift linkage, however, just like all Kias I've tried (except for my Festiva).
#38 of 145 autoknologist - few questions by luck11 Oct 10, 2001 (5:31 am)
My mother has been looking for a nice small and inexpensive car to replace her 91 Ford Explorer XLT which is essentially toast.   We have been looking at the small car category including the Civic, Sentra, Corolla, Focus, Impreza. Being a proud owner of a 00 Subaru Outback and a believer in AWD (very handy in our snowy winter climate), I am predisposed to the Impreza Wagon.   My mother is not picky. She wants a good car(reliable), with some basic power options (ie. locks, windows and AC), that gets good mileage and most importantly, is comfortable to sit in. My mom has bad hips and she has found that most cars seats are designed to fit you snug, which places pressure on her hips and can be very painful. So far, the Corolla wins in this category because it seats are rather flat.   To my questions:   1. Are Power windows available? 2. The $13K you paid...is this Cdn or US? Do you have Cdn figures? 3. The seats, are they relatively flat, or are the contoured support to fit snug? 4. Maybe I missed it, but what does KIA offer in terms of warranty?   I must admit, I am a little hesitant to recommend a KIA. Perhaps its the stereotype of Korean cars having bad reliability....Can anyone share additional thoughts on the reliability of these cars?   Many thanks.
#39 of 145 To luck 11 by autoknologist Oct 10, 2001 (6:08 pm)
Hello. Let me answer your questions in order. 1) Power windows are only available in Canada, not in the US (bummer for me). They are standard on the Sport version Rx-V. 2) The price I quoted is in US dollars, not Canadian. You will have to check your canadian buying guide sites for your price. 3) The seats are very comfortable, with only a little contouring. The problem that your mother will have is that the car is fairly low, making getting in and out it more difficult, especially if she is used to getting in and out of an Explorer. 4) As Far as the warranty goes; here it is in a nut shell; Again this is quoted in US measurements of miles, not kilometers. The basic factory warranty is: 5 yrs or 60,000 miles Bumper-to-Bumper, 10 yr, 100,000 mile Limited powertrain coverage, 5 yr unlimited mileage road side assistance. Now, what do they mean by limited? The 100,000 mile powertrain extension is for the original purchaser of the vehicle only. If the car is sold or traded, then the powertrain portion is limited to 60,000 miles. Also, other limitations include: the paint and audio systems are only covered for 36,000 miles and adjustments are covered for only 12,000 miles (IE: Door alignment, cable adjustments, idle speed: repairs not requiring replacement of parts). Also, as far as reliabililty goes, I must admit that on paper (and as seen in some consumer magazines) KIA does not have a good reputation. In fact, they have consistantly performed in the lower rankings. However, there quality is improving. I am sure that this is due to there new owners influence, Hyundai. So far, I have had NO problems (nock on wood) at all. NONE.( with my last car, the Toyota ECHO, I had problems early on. Hmmmm) Which is really good because the dealer I bought the car from closed their doors forever, seemingly days after I signed for mine. This has created other frustrations for me related to proper processing of the paperwork, but that is another story, to long to tell here. Anyway, let me get back on track. If I may suggest, have you and your mother looked at the new Ford Escape as a replacement for the Explorer? It is smaller than the Explorer, so it is much easier to handle and gets a little better mileage. Yet it still has that higher SUV profile, making it easier to get in and out of. It can be had with all the goodies you might want and comes with a 4 cyl standard. An optional 200hp V6 is available. It can be purchased in Front or All wheel drive versions. Another great new smaller SUV is the Hyundai Sante Fe. This is a really nice vehicle. It is based on the Sonata platform. This means you get a car like ride from four wheel independent suspension and V6 power. It can also be pruchased in Front or All wheel drive versions. In addtion, as in normal fashion for Hyundai, you get alot of bang for the buck and you get the same great warranty as KIA offers! I have mentioned just a couple of the small SUV's now available. I did this because your mom is use to the advantages of an SUV, but may not want to spend a fortune on a new Explorer (or there just to big) Now, if you are on a budget and this is why your considering a RIO Wagon, then by all means check one out. Another idea I want to mention is that, if you can wait just a few more months, there will be several new vehicles coming out in the, what I call, the Mini, minivan/all activity vehicle class that may be perfect for your needs. The one that will land first will be the new Toyota Matrix, followed by the Pontiac Vibe (basically ,there the same vehicle underneath). Then Daewoo will be introducing there vehicle for this class (as yet un-named). You can check these vehicles out at Canadian Driver.com. A great site for news and info on cars. I hope this helps you.
#40 of 145 Thanks. by luck11 Oct 11, 2001 (10:15 am)
for all the info. I guess I should have mentioned that price was primary factor, as is gas mileage and ride. Her requirement for auto tranny eliminates the cheaper 4 cyl making it at least Cdn$6 K more than Rio. I agree that in and out of most sedans in general could be a problem, but I think she wants out of the "truck" ride and feel due to her back problems (gee, I make it sound like my mom is falling apart, don't I?). I have not seen the Rio myself, but suggested she go a test drive one...I believe she is going today or tomorrow. I let you know what she has to say.   Again, thanks for taking the time.

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