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Porsche Cayenne, SUV
Feb 28, 2004 (10:24 am)
for the recall notices...
Even my trusty Toyota had a few of those....
I think some 911 and other Porsche enthusiasts are laughing.......they predicted the cayenne would attract some people who DO NOT know what Porsche is about, other than the fact that it is a glamourous , image name...!
1- Porsches have a firmer ride, because they have to maintain the company reputation as a performance car maker!!!!
2- The suspension has been tested over and over, and the several prototypes was tested in US, Oman, Canada, Sweden, Australia; in all sorts of terrain, on pavement and off. I don't think that your local Honda would have such a testing procedure. I like Hondas, and they are reliable....but performance wise, they do not touch Porsches.
3- Porsches have been known to have little niggles, and that was the price that owners "paid", and were willing to tolerate it , because they emphasize the performance part. I want to double EMPHASIZE : Performance. OTOH, Porsche did get to be one of the top in terms of JD POwers Awards for quality , 2003.
4- When testing , the cayenne had to take the corners like a boxster....that was one of the goals.! This is no small feat, considering you are talking higher center of gravity and almost 5500 lbs. Its like asking a 300 lbs couch potato to run and turn like an Olympian....something thought impossible, until the cayenne was made.
5- it does the Nurburing course as fast as the boxster and the BMW 3 series !! These are sports cars and sports sedans that are being beat by your cayenne !!!
6- For those who want a comfy ride....I have a suggestion....the Range Rover....it is soft and leans when cornering....but may be the ticket...
Why even go to a sporty X5 if soft cushy ride is that much of a buying parameter ?
7- Same with the "reliability" issues..... this is a porsche SUV, and it can do more than what any other SUV can , without sacrificing offroad ability and on road performance.....bar none!!!
If reliability is such an issue, perhaps a first year new model car is NOT the ticket, IMO. All auto makers have their first year model niggles.....all. Check out the fx45/35 forum, and you will see the same complaints....harsh ride, and all sorts of electrical and fitment problems...
IMO, these are things that need to be worked out....and like newlyweds, it takes patience and understanding, appreciation and enjoyment, persistance and time.
Enjoy your cayennes !!!
#660 of 2037 also cayenne owners
Feb 28, 2004 (10:44 am)
did you know that in lower end cars and older cars , electrical and electromechanical systems cost about 12 % of the price of the new car...
nowadays , these same systems can cost upwards of 25 % .....going towards 33% ..... of the price of the new car...
These are complex systems....more so in the cayenne:
1- the navigation, stereo, on board computers, etc....speak to each other using MOST (media oriented signal transmission) , a digital fiber optic system....one of the first in the industry.
2- the cayenne, due to style and performance , have all the antennas( up to 29; 34 if you have tire pressure monitoring system) hidden INSIDE the car. This gives the car a clean, futuristic look. However, it may impede the remote effective operating distance .... There is a way to splice the antenna wire and move the antenna into one of the front "A" pillars.
One of my previous posts stated that Cayenne owners should be cognizant of the above issues....
When I went to the dealer, I already was prepared, that such a ground breaking vehicle, with all systems new and complex, would give me niggles. It may even have bigger issues, but it does not faze me because what I wanted was performance SUV, and I got it .
For those who have many niggles, I am sorry for all your hopes and expectations dashed , and the inconvenience of going back to the dealer multiple times....
#661 of 2037 Reg & Pepper
Feb 28, 2004 (11:30 am)
Let me throw my 2 cents in again... as stated earlier, i drove the Touareg V8 w/air & Cayenne (V6 w/steel susp) back-to-back. The salesman took me to a "set" of curves for the Pepper test drive. He hit the combination of curves and bumps at 80+ mph. When we changed to the T-reg, I was driving. Not having the experience on the road, it felt very different than the Pepper. We switched so he could drive the set of bumps & curves in the VW. The VW actually felt better in comfort mode than sport and we were 10 mph slower. The sport setting bounced you around too much to feel like you were in control at that speed. BIG difference between the 2. The Pepper was much more composed.
My conclusion was I like the handling of the Pepper so much better but the V6 was "weak" compared to the fluid power in the V8 t-reg.
Now that all said, I am coming from a truck, a Toyota Tundra. Although it is probably the best riding truck, it is NO performer. I think what one is used to and expects play a BIG part in how the suspension is perceived on the Pepper (and the FX for that matter).
I just need to find an used Cayenne S that I can afford. Unlike some, this is a "High"-end decision for me. It is just exciting to have some choices for those of us that want to take our trucks off-road. I started my love for the SUV back in 1980's in a Ford Bronco II. To have the choice of handling and off-roadability is incredible to say the least.
Feb 28, 2004 (3:47 pm)
thanks for the recall notices which I forwarded to my dealer. I'm waiting for delivery next month and hopefully these items will be addressed.
Feb 28, 2004 (3:51 pm)
Excellant points...makes the wait for delivery even more difficult now.
Feb 28, 2004 (7:20 pm)
Have you discovered any techniques in driving the pepper which you would like to share.
Mar 01, 2004 (7:20 am)
Very good points. Like highender also mentioned, this vehicle is going to attract a lot of new Porsche owners. Not even the 944 cars were this mainstream. The V6 Cayenne is right in the thick of the $40k SUV market and will certainly bring lots of new owners to the Porsche experience. I think that we will see a bunch of them bailing out after a short time due to these differences in vision. The same thing happened with the MB G500's. Everybody wanted one until they lived with it and found out it was way more truck than they bargained for. The Cayenne is likely to end up being to much sports car for many, as it should be IMO.
I also think that those looking to use the off-road ability of these trucks are probably better off with the T-reg. I am pretty sure that it includes the locking rear diff where the Cayenne does not unless you order the rare and expensive off-road package. I am not a fan of the braked traction control systems for off-road. The locking diff is a better choice.
#666 of 2037 "Porsche Options" financing Option
Mar 01, 2004 (9:48 am)
Any thoughts on the Porsche Options financing package described on the Porsche Web Site. Also, does anyone have any idea what Porsche Finance loan rates are? Thanks in advance.
Mar 01, 2004 (5:42 pm)
I think the Porsche finance rates will fluctuate with the market....which is at an all time low right now.
However, if you can swing it...it may be more economical if you get a home equity loan , and use that to buy the car....and the interest payments are a tax writeoff.
Mar 01, 2004 (5:49 pm)
yes, some of these people don't know anything about a Porsche, other than it is something ( a name plate/image) they want. But when they get out of their current car, and into a Cayenne, then they say things like "it rides worse than my sedan " or "it is bumpier than my accord"
likewise....all porsche's have relatively heavier clutches(pedal feel)....and require a few more muscle cells to depress....though they are getting better. Same with the Lamborghini or Ferrari....you buy one of those, and the clutches are heavy,,,more heavy than a Porsche clutch.