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Aug 01, 2005 (8:58 am)
Hello, I am trying to buy a new 2005 Cay S. I've read the Consumer Reports invoice pricing for the base model, but there are no invoice prices for the options. Does this mean that the dealer pays the same price (MSRP) to the manufacturer for these options? Also, there are is no dealer holdback or national/regional incentives listed. As I've never bought a Porsche before, in this late summer season with the 2006's coming in, what would be a good ballpark price to pay for a basic S, with regard to MSRP and invoice. Thank you very much for your kind advice.
#1653 of 2038 Re: 2005 Cayenne S pricing [suventhusiast]
Aug 01, 2005 (4:32 pm)
No, the dealers do not pay MSRP for options. Its more likely that with lower sales figures its just harder to get invoice info on options. In general, you should assume the options invoice price is 15% less than MSRP for that option.
Based on info from Intellichoice, Dealer Holdback on the S is around $1400.
If you read some forums you will hear folks saying you can get your best deal in the Sept-Oct timeframe, though not sure what type of additional incentives if any you would get.
I just bought a v6 Cayenne for 11% off MSRP a couple of weeks ago -- pretty good deal considering there were minimal options on the car.
I would think for an S you should shoot for at least the same % off MSRP -- some would say you can get the car in a couple of months at invoice or better. I'm not sure how accurate that is. Check out the Pricing Paid forum for Cayennes on this site for a "history" of pricing for folks over the past year or so.
#1654 of 2038 Re: 2005 Cayenne S pricing [suventhusiast]
Aug 01, 2005 (8:21 pm)
Just received an email from a dealer who wouldn't budge from 7% off an S late in June. He is now offering 10% off any S he has in stock (about 14).
If you read the earlier posts, there are people who are getting 8% off 06's. I am just guessing but dealers would probably consider eleven or twelve percent off pretty easily for 05's. But the longer you wait, the fewer the choices and you might not get the color/options combo you want.
If you are getting just the base S with no options, every dealer probably has at least one in stock (always black/black) and you could get an even better deal.
Good luck in your search.
#1655 of 2038 Nearly killed in new ’05 Cayenne S!
Aug 02, 2005 (1:46 pm)
I have an interesting, albeit sobering, story of an experience I had yesterday. It’s not a criticism of the Cay S, which I admire and am still going to purchase, but probably rather a novice, lay person’s fault of my own. I have been shopping for a new ’05 Cay S for the last few weeks, hoping to get a good deal on an ’05 since the ’06 are coming in. Over the past year, I’ve read many reviews and have been following the discussion forum threads from time to time. I had been anecdotally aware of some of the problems people were having, including the front tire wasting/front-end misalignment, nav, door lock and other problems. I also recall reading about a hesitation problem. I didn’t think much of this, having driven a 6-cyclinder Jeep Grand Cherokee for the past 10 years. I thought that even if a Cayenne S had a slight hesitation, it would still be light years ahead of my old Jeep. So, I chalked this problem (having only read the headline, and not the complete thread), up to some rich Porsche owners, who are probably used to turbo-charged vehicles, and complain when the S does 0-60 in 6.9 sec instead of 6.8 sec.
Anyway, I went excitedly to my local dealership to test drive the car, after having lusted over it for the past year. After adjusting all the mirrors and becoming acquainted with the various controls, I drove through the dealer parking lot to pull the car onto the street. Unfortunately, this dealership is right in the middle of a broad, busy street with oncoming cars approaching at approx 50 mph. Still, no sweat. There were oncoming cars approaching in the distance, but I was confident in being able to merge, knowing even my old Jeep could pull this off smoothly. I was in automatic transmission, D2. I gently edged the nose of the Cay S onto the road and depressed the accelerator smoothly down…nothing…oncoming cars closer…still nothing, then, after not a hesitation, but a full 1 second, the Cay S jerked forward and up to speed with the tach increasing, nearly avoiding being broad-sided.
A little surprised and a bit unnerved, I chalked this up to the car not being fully warmed up yet, or some other innocuous explanation. I brought this pseudo-stall sensation up to the salesman during the remainder of the test-drive. He said that he had not heard of any hesitation when accelerating, and was “sure” I was inadvertently depressing the brake pedal instead of the accelerator. I’m not that lame! But I let it go so as not to compromise a good deal on the car. When I insisted about this phenomenon, he confidently stated that the Cay S has, 5 different transmission software programs, and the technicians could re-program it to a shifting curve I found more suitable. He also stated that the Cay S has some sort of “artificial intelligence” or “adaptive learning” program which will learn my driving habits over the next 2 weeks and no further hesitation will occur. I am dubious though because how would the car know that when I press the accelerator down, I want to proceed immediately and not in 1 second’s time? The salesperson also mentioned that most Cay S drivers use the tip-tronic, and if I want the convenience of an automatic transmission, why am I buying a Porsche? It is a valid point, and I plan to use the tip-tronic on back country roads on weekends. But in everyday stop-and-go commuting to office and home, with my Starbuck’s, bagel and cel-phone, the tip-tronic may be rather tedious on a daily basis.
Anyway, on the way home from the test drive, there is a freeway off-ramp just next to the car-pool lane which we were traveling in. I had to do a simple merge to get off the freeway. I looked over and the lane was clear with a fast-moving 18-wheel big-rig in the distance. Still, I was confident that even my old Jeep could do this merge. I turned the blinker on, changed lanes, and pushed the accelerator down to give the big-rig ample room. To my utter horror, nothing happened! Looking in the rear-view I could see the 18-wheeler’s driver thinking what the hell is this Cay S doing pulling in front of me and slowing down. One-thousand one, one-thousand two, finally the Cay S engaged and hurtled forward nearly avoiding a rear-end collision. To the big-rig driver’s credit, he did not brake to slow down, knowing it was futile and he would just jack-knife into the rest of the 6 lanes of traffic, creating a mayhem which surely would have been on the evening news.
I’m not an auto-mechanic, but from my humble lay person’s point of view, I don’t think this hesitation is inherent or organic to the transmission. The correct gear is chosen on the display, and rather, it seems like the fuel pump stops pumping gas, or the gas is not being ignited or something, for that one-second of limbo. Interestingly, this phenomenon did not occur all the time. Only those two occasions, during countless other starts, from stop, during the test-drive.
Regardless, I reiterate that my experience is not a criticism of the Cay S, which I really like, but rather my novice fault of not being familiar with the tip-tronic, which I will dutifully learn to drive smoothly. Nevertheless, I strongly feel that there should be a way for the driver to disengage this drive-by-wire delay, when desired. Why is the car trying to guess what I want to do? Why won’t it just do what I tell it to do, with the accelerator? I don’t mind if the steering, or transmission shifting is drive-by-wire, but the accelerator should be purely, unadulterated mechanical mechanism.
All in all, it’s a great car and I’m looking forward to getting one, but I will certainly avoid crossing railroad tracks with my kids onboard!
#1656 of 2038 Re: Nearly killed in new ’05 Cayenne S!
Aug 03, 2005 (4:49 am)
I bought an '05 V-6 Cay in April and STILL have this problem. It is very disturbing to say the least. Now I know that upgrading to the "S" in '06 or '07 when the "refresh" has been implemented does not insure this hesitation (major understatement) will stop.
This is my 1st Porsche and I am not very impressed.
#1657 of 2038 Re: Nearly killed in new ’05 Cayenne S! [cayenneadmirer]
Aug 03, 2005 (4:06 pm)
re-program it to a shifting curve I found more suitable. He also stated that the Cay S has some sort of “artificial intelligence” or “adaptive learning” program which will learn my driving habits over the next 2 weeks and no further hesitation will occur.
yes...some people have had this problem...Your salesman was right. . Cayenne has an adaptive transmission that will learn the driver's driving habits, and adjust the shifting accordingly...so that most of the shifting points will be at that program level that you use/are accustomed to. This saves gas and customizes the driving experience. Some people stomp on the gas...some just like gradual slow starts....
I once drove a 1990 Mercedes 500SEL..when new....and when I first got in and started to pull out of the driveway....NOThing also...then I give it some more gas...still nothing....and then, with even more pressure...the car starts moving...
I think most hesitation problems could be a mixture of driving habit differences, and the need for the tranny to adapt to it...and also the normal pedal pressure that one is used to...which may be diff than that of the cayenne that you happened to be driving. This all goes away...for me at least, when one starts driving and gets used to the cayenne, and the cayenne gets used to you....
This also happens in other cars...and is like the different clutches that one must adpat to when driving a stick shift...
I have had what I would characterize as an opposite problem....When I first got the cayenne T, I would step on the gas...and it would just zoom forward....with fast jerk that would be great for drag racing, but uncomfortable for everyday driving...
#1658 of 2038 regards to CS sluggishness
Aug 04, 2005 (1:29 pm)
i wouldn't be too concerned. like highender said. the tranny adjusts to your driving habits/technique so the previous test drives or maybe just moving the CS around the dealer's lot had the tranny thinking it was some old person driving it
#1659 of 2038 Re: Cayenne Running Boards [joemillionaire]
Aug 05, 2005 (9:30 am)
Thanks for the feedback...I just had the running boards installed yesterday....not as narrow as I thought and very esthetically pleasing....really quite attractive rather than after market "nerf bars" as I was considering. The 6 and 9 year olds also appreciate them although there don't quite reach the rear well so you have to step forward and out when existing the back seat. Any one else out there have these installed??
Aug 11, 2005 (12:30 pm)
Over the last few weeks I have had 2 Audi's as loaners, both Quattro's one an A4 and the other an A6. Nice cars but both have Tiptronic Transmissions.
Guess what both have the same sort of hesitation as the Cayenne.
I know it varies, if you have the 05 Tranny and the 05 latest issue Tip controller the effect is very much reduced over the 04's.
I have noticed that with the latest updates it no longer reverts to my grandmothers car after a week of commuting and responds as I would expect a Porsche to when needed. It still does have that occasional dead zone (the "I dont know what you are trying to do driver, therefore I am doing nothing " mode)
Still the best SUV on the planet
Aug 16, 2005 (5:19 am)
Unlike most German/Japanese cars that I have owned, the Cayenne’s steering wheel radio buttons adjusts the radio station, not to the next preset button, but rather to the next station on the dial (i.e., "seek"). Is this something I can change?