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#31 of 2579 WRX by s852 May 15, 2001 (1:25 pm)
WRX is limited production and it is ugly. Looks matter. There will not be enough WRXs available to be sold for it to affect RSX sales in any way. The WRX is a moot non-issue, that can be easily dismissed as any threat.
#32 of 2579 price by sunilb May 15, 2001 (2:54 pm)
I believe that Acura is trying to move the RSX up on the luxury side of things. While the performance might be slightly improved, I think they are going to try and justify a higher price because of it will be higher grade materials used inside compared to the previous generation.
#33 of 2579 Don't dismiss WRX by himiler May 15, 2001 (5:22 pm)
Sure the WRX is ugly, but it's a REAL sports car that goes like stink on any road, in any weather condition, unlike the RSX which doesn't even have a LSD.   Understand that any buyer (myself included) that shops the RSX for performance will be cross-shopping the WRX. For buyers more interested in styling, such as those in the secretary pool, the WRX won't even show up on the radar.   And yes, Acura is obviously trying to move the car upmarket (climate control, standard leather on Type-S, richer interior). But I'm not interested in paying extra for features I don't want or need. If the performance doesn't justify the cost, I'm not interested. only1harry makes an excellent argument on this point.   davem2001: What hurts more--sticking your thumb in, or pulling it out?
#34 of 2579 WRX Vs RSX by s852 May 15, 2001 (5:39 pm)
I heard that the WRX is $26K fully loaded with the $1000 automatic transmission option and they will be produced in miniscule numbers, so they are not really an option compared to a $23K RSX. One of the biggest turn offs for the WRX is the extremely crude and bone-jarring highway ride. The noise and violent ride will make it extremely tiresome as a daily driver. I suppose if it is only going to be used as a weekend toy to go screaming down winding mountain roads for fun, it would be an ok car for that purpose, but not for daily driving.
#35 of 2579 cross shopping RSX and WRX by ranald May 15, 2001 (5:49 pm)
No, if you're shopping an RSX strictly for performance you *have* to cross shop the WRX (among others) but don't put the WRX above the RSX just because it's "roomier". I've been in a WRX and it has less room, front and back, than my Civic coupe. I've described the car in other settings as a "2 seater sedan".   If factors other than sheer performance (if that's all you care about shouldn't be shopping a sport coupe) enter your buying equation, like quality (build and materials), comfort, features, reliability or resale value than the RSX *kills* the WRX.
#36 of 2579 The highway ride in by wordman93 May 15, 2001 (8:18 pm)
a WRX is no worse than the highway ride in a current gen Integra. In fact the WRX (IMO) handled bumps in the road far better than the Integra. For obvious reasons I can't comment on the ride quality of the up coming RSX but I hope it's alot better than that of the Integra. The guys at Sport Compact seem to like it.
#38 of 2579 s582 by himiler May 16, 2001 (3:42 pm)
First off, I don't buy autoboxes. Secondly, I've read dozens of articles on the WRX and not a single one has mentioned a "bone-jarring" ride. As for interior noise, at 70mph the WRX has a cruising noise level of 74dB. Compare that number to the same measurment in the new MB C-Class sedan (75dB 70mph), and your claim would appear to be unfounded.   Subaru will produce 10,000 WRX's this year--hardly a "miniscule" number. And if you're talking about a "daily driver", come live here in Syracuse with our 170 inches of snow every winter, and then see which car will get you around easier.   Your conclusion that the WRX is "not really an option" when compared to the RSX may be what you'd like to believe, but I'm doubtful that it is correct.   Wordman93: I am sure the highway manners of the RSX will out-class those of the current Integra by a far sight. Pretty much anything would be an improvement, really. AutoWeek mentioned that the Type S is so quiet at full throttle that it's "nearly unnerving, more so than the noise of the Integra." That would be nice.   ranald: If I were only shopping for performance, I'd drive a (GOD FORBID) Z28. The interior appointments in the WRX are a major step-up from what's in the current Integra. And, as you might not be aware, Subarus are renowned for their reliability, longevity, and build quality.   I don't think that the RSX will "*kill*" anything other than some of the expectations that have been created around it.
#39 of 2579 RSX by only1harry May 16, 2001 (7:44 pm)
Did Autoweek or SCC do any real tests on the RSX? did they post any performance #s? I don't know if I 'd want a 4cyl. 200hp car to be quiet. I like the noise my GSR makes and I like it even better after I put a Cold Air Intake in it. Makes VTEC much more noticeable and sounds like a Type-R at 6K RPM and up. Quiet to me translates into boring. If it were a V6 or flat 6, or V8, yes by all means it should be a lot more quiet. I guess Honda should be congratulated by making a high output naturally aspirated 200hp 4cyl. motor stay quiet under hard acceleration but I don't know if I 'd like that. This on the other hand most likely means that the Intake and exhaust are restrictive and with some aftermarket parts you can make the car scream and get some decent power gains. I'm sure it has lower compression too although I don't know any of the specs, which means it should be a good candidate for a blower. Current GSR can only take a small turbo or small boost without doing anything to the motor (with a worked motor the GSR motor is capable of up to 600+whp with 30lbs of boost). Most GSR owners with a decent turbo and boost (12-24lbs) usually have done major head work and even replaced the pistons on top of ignition, fuel pump, VAFC, etc. It would be nice to throw a decent size turbo on the RSX without having to spend an extra $4-5K on the motor. We 'll see. This is one nice thing the RSX has going for it. A good base HP and I bet is a good candidate to be blown for those who drag race or do track events. Take the Turbo out of the WRX and what do you have left? A 3,000lb car with 160-170hp maybe? Add a turbo to a current stock GSR with only 5-6lbs of boost and you 'll get about 220whp (about 260bhp). Bye bye WRX. So make no mistake about it. If you compare the 2 cars on equal ground (both turbocharged), even the current GSR will take a WRX with a small cheap turbo and you 'll still have money left over. It is by no means a great feat for Honda to produce a quiet n/a 200hp 2.0L motor as is the 195hp 1.8L ITR (but not so quiet). So if you examine both RSX & WRX carefully, you 'll see that they 're quiet different. One has good power by means of turbo with AWD but is of modest quality to keep price down, and the other is of higher technological achievement but with a little less power and more luxury and quality materials. Maybe that's the way we should look at them. I could be wrong but how else do you explain the price of the WRX (kind of low) and that of the RSX (if it's high)? Shouldn't the phrase "you get what you pay for" apply here?
#40 of 2579 only1harry by himiler May 17, 2001 (2:59 am)
Amen, Brother! Acura has lowered the redline on the Type S (7900rpm vs 8000rpm on the GS-R). I was hoping that the Type S would rev to at least 8400rpm (like the Type R). The fact that you have to keep the pot boiling in the GS-R to get power is one of the things I really love about the car.   As for aftermarket turbos, throw a $3000 turbo on a WRX, and you're talking about ~350bhp. The big problem with forced induction on a front-driver like an Integra/RSX is getting the power to the ground.   I need to make a correction to the numbers I posted regarding interior noise levels of the WRX and MB C-Class at 70mph. Those numbers were the measurements taken durring full-throttle acceleration. The 70mph cruising number for the WRX is actually 73dB. Sorry for the error.

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