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Acura RSX, Coupe, Hatchback
#1136 of 2585 Clarification for RSX in Canada
May 10, 2002 (6:51 pm)
actually acura.ca will tell you everything.
In the premium package you get leather sits with heated front sits. The price is 28000Can(~18000US) exchange) before tax(31000Can(~20000us) for Type S). Only a few difference from Type S and Premium. Like in Type S 200HP, Acurac/Bose Speakers,...better handling.
Type S doesn't have enough bonus over the Premium.
If you compare to the base model(only in canada) to Premium you can see that 3000Can extra is worth the extra(better tire, leather sit, ABS, sun roof,6 speakers...).
I wish 2003 Honda's Integra Type R is here. It looks like a RSX, but somehow better:)
#1137 of 2585 Why does my Integra LS feel faster than RSX-S?
May 11, 2002 (12:53 pm)
This is meant to be a serious question, I can explain before I get flamed.
I currently drive a '99 Integra LS which has a 1.8 L, 140 HP (and probably 130+ ft-lb. torque, but the exact figure escapes me). This is a non-VTEC engine. It red-lines at 6900 RPM and it's adequately quick. This car will soon come off lease and I'm looking to find a replacement (RSX-S).
I've test driven the RSX-S (twice). I was intrigued from what I read about its 2.0 L, 200 HP, 142 ft-lb. engine. So I happily test drove the car and was disappointed with acceleration in the first gear. The car seemed slower in first gear than my Integra. Once the tachometer zoomed past 6000 rpm, no doubt that the RSX felt way faster - it really took off.
But why, from a standstill start, does my Integra, given its 60 HP deficiency, seem faster for the first 5-6 krpm? Has any mag compared 0-to-30 mph acceleration tests between the RSX-S and Integra? I know the Integra is about 100 lbs. lighter, but I don't think that solely accounts for it.
#1138 of 2585 Re: Integra LS feeling faster
May 11, 2002 (7:29 pm)
I want to clarify that in the other gears, the RSX-S definitely felt quicker than my Integra LS. It is just in first gear where the Integra felt faster.
May 11, 2002 (10:17 pm)
Beowulf, the Integra was the WRONG car to lease. I bought my 2001 Integra LS exactly one year ago ... this one's for the long haul!
As for the engine... haven't driven a RSX much at all, but my conjecture: maybe the RSX is a little too refined. The Integra LS engine is more wild at lower RPMs, whereas the RSX is more patient until it gets to higher levels.
Integra LS up to RSX-S? That's a bit of an upgrade. Automatic climate control, used improperly, though, will freeze you to death! LOL.
May 11, 2002 (11:46 pm)
Why do you say the Integra was the wrong car to lease? I mean I knew that it was going to have a major redesign. But I wanted a sports coupe, and at the time, I was under 25, so the GS-R trim would have killed me in insurance.
Climate control takes a bit getting used to. ... I was considering the Eclipse GTS, Celica GTS, and even the Tiburon GT V6. But in the end (call me a badge snob), I want another Acura. An RSX-S for under $25 k out the door isn't bad.
May 12, 2002 (12:48 am)
I would venture to guess that it is the "i" in i-VTEC that has given you the perception that you have described in the RSX-s.
The "i" referring to VTC (Variable Timing Control) maximizes power output and torque across a wide margin of the power band. This makes for a broader and flatter torque curve- which translates to a much more civilized, refined engine with a more linear power delivery.(So the engine is consistently pulling throughout the revs, even though you don't feel it as much)
This is at the expense of the previous generation VTEC's dramatic change over to the higher lift cam. You don't get that "seat of the pants" rush- even though you are going faster.(with the i-VTEC)
So in theory the new engine is superior but lacking the visceral thrill of the older VTEC's.
Oh and don't worry about being called a badge snob, I've been called that and worse on various boards. If I don't get my new "Accord-Prelude" coupe (right Verozahl?) this Fall, I'll be picking up a
May 12, 2002 (7:28 am)
Beowulf - I think the difference may simply be a matter of "feeling". The LS feels faster than the RSX, but it isn't actually going any faster. Here's a few examples from my experience (dunno if they apply to these two cars).
Gearing and revs: Drive a high-revving car at 5,000 rpms. You hear the engine, see the tach rise, and "feel" like you are flogging it. Now drive a car with low-end torque. It moves at the same speed, but it seems to do if effortlessly. You don't get the same hyperactive feeling from the car.
Seating: Sit in a car that has its driver's seat position very low to the ground. Keep it in park. Now sit in a car that has you raised higher off the ground. It feels slower, even though you aren't going anywhere.
Anyway, you get the idea. There are sensory clues that contribute to the "feeling" of speed that don't necessarily mean you are moving any faster.
May 12, 2002 (9:25 am)
The idea I was presenting was that you should have bought the Integra. The RSX is nice, but I'm not getting all worried about having a 3rd-generation Integra. RSX has newfangled interior (gauges and controls) and no center armrest/console w/cover. Yuck.
For your situation though, a RSX-S makes sense... unless you want to wait for the RSX Type R
and take the plunge.
Honda's making me frown, lately. The RSX tries to do everything in replacing the sportier Civics, the Integras, and the Preludes of the late 1990s. It's a great car, but I want a Prelude. Yes, I'm a badge snob, and Acura Total Luxury Care has been great, but I want a Prelude.
My younger brother is looking at Hondas and Nissans for the most part... he doesn't like the Tiburon styling much. Civic EX for coupe and Honda smoothness and ergonomics, or Sentra SE-R for power and sports looks.
Talk to me again in a few years and see what I do with the Integra. I hope it lasts for the next decade, because the current cars on the market don't do much for me. Camaro? gone. Silvia/240SX? gone. Prelude? gone. Ack.
That said, all the anti-Acura people out there keep disparaging the Integra/RSX, but the car only keeps getting better. It's better for Acura to mess up with the SLX or RL than with the Integra/RSX or TL... and the RL isn't messed up, I see plenty here along with TLs and Integras/RSXs, MDXs, and the occassional CL.
Badge snob? Acura is 'only a fancy Honda'... so say the critics... but I'd like to ask you what you would get if you crossed a Honda and a BMW.
The other answer to this question is the Prelude... don't need no leather interior! Drives great, super reliable.
Real badge-snob people out always snork 'what's better than a Benz C230 for the money' ... you know the answer!! A new RSX.
#1145 of 2585 my major criticism is...
May 12, 2002 (9:33 am)
... that the RSX is 'Acura gone corporate.'
Which, of course, if I was another automaker, I would kill to have 'major problems' as small as that! LOL.
Windshield-washer jets on the hood instead of underneath (like on Integra and Prelude). No center convered console. Many steps forward... how did Honda-Acura manage to make these two steps backward.
As I said, though, if I was another automaker, I would love to have 'major problems' so minor... the RSX is the chief of the sport-compact market still in terms of features and driving, and the price is still right.
Problem: Acura or Infiniti need to keep the RSX and G35 from looking like all their other models. Otherwise, they will become bland like Audi... very nice, but all of their models look too similar.