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Honda Civic, Coupe
Mar 29, 2002 (8:49 am)
200 HP Civic Si (SiR in Canada) would make more sense than Type-R simply because Honda sells those in extremely limited numbers. There are a few things Honda could do to its compact hatch lineup (Civic Si and RSX).
200 HP, 6-speed transmission, 16-inch wheels with performance rubber and brakes, keep EPS, ABS and EBD. Subtract moon-roof and save 20-25 lb. plus some head room.
175 HP (to keep redline within range of about 7000 rpm for automatic), 5-speed auto/6-speed manual, 16-inch wheels with all-season rubber, EPS, ABS, EBD
Type-R drive train (220 HP, 6-speed manual), Type-R wheels (17-inch wheels and rubber), Type-R brakes, EPS, VGR, ABS, EBD and optional premium package (leather/moonroof/Bose system etc. to keep base price down).
In case you are wondering,
EPS: Electric Power Steering. Other than no drain of power from engine and slightly improved fuel efficiency (2%, yeah right), the neatest things it offers is ability to tune the steering to personal preference. Honda has offered it from day one on NSX, and later joined by S2000, now the Type-Rs, Civic Si, Insight and Civic Hybrid have it. Eliminates the conventional power steering pump, and is considered safer against sudden loss of power steering.
EBD: Electronic Brake Distribution. It has been a standard feature in several Japanese and European Hondas, and I believe Civic Si (and Civic Hybrid) are the first to have it here in America.
VGR: Variable Gear Ratio. One of the several new things Honda developed in 1997 becoming the first automaker to offer it in production cars. The new Type-Rs have it. It varies the steering gear ratio depending on need (speed and turn). I am not sure if it is the same as the so-called VGS system offered in S2000 Type-V (Japan only), which was the first production car to have such a setup.
#483 of 3321 IT HAS ARRIVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 29, 2002 (9:20 am)
Attention all shoppers the New Civic Si has arrived and is now available. If interested and you live within a reasonable traveling distance to Clarksville, Maryland please feel free to call me for pricing info. My toll free number is 1 877-494-6632 ext 1019 or you can ask for Johnathan Barnwell.
Thanks and I hope to here from you soon.
Mar 29, 2002 (9:21 am)
My 1999 Civic CX hatchback didn't come equipped with power steering, and I never missed it. Sure, the new Si hatch is a porker, but why not just scrap the fancy electric power steering and save even more weight and money?
#485 of 3321 Paging Mr. Barnwell...
Mar 29, 2002 (9:24 am)
Read the Townhall member agreement - solicitations such as your posting are prohibited.
#486 of 3321 Just bought mine about 3 hours ago. :o)
Mar 29, 2002 (8:40 pm)
Unfortunately, I wanted silver and they only had white, so I have to wait a week. No matter; I got to drive the puppy and it's awesome. Course, I now drive a 90 Civic hatchback DX, so I'm not used to ANY power.
I got mud flaps, extra fabric and paint protectant, 4 floor mats and rear wheel well protectors (sorry for using the wrong language, but I forgot what they're called) for 21k out the door.
I love the styling. It was very important for me to have good visibility, as I'm used to driving that old Civic, which is dang near like having no obstructions at ALL. The SI kicks in more than just the ability to see well... the comfort is sublime and when cornering, it feels like nothing could lift those tires off the ground.
I, for one, love it!
#487 of 3321 Thanks, Sandi!
Mar 30, 2002 (8:03 am)
Well, okay! That's one vote in the "love it" column.
Sandi, please keep us posted on how the car breaks-in.
#488 of 3321 hmmm....
Mar 30, 2002 (11:09 am)
Sandi-- congrats! Though, I think that 21K is a lot of money for this car. That is, of course, without driving it.
I stopped by the Honda dealership in Santa Monica yesterday and the salesman there said that they had one Si [silver]... but it was in the back getting leather put in it and the windows tinted. Two thoughts crossed my mind upon hearing this:
1- everybody has been raving about the seats in this car... why the heck are they putting leather on them??
2- this thing is going to go for well over MSRP!
Just an aside about these dealer enhancements: I stopped at a VW dealership later that day, and they had a Passat with an XM radio head unit and charging $995 for it!! This head unit only retails for $300, then maybe another $150 for install.
#489 of 3321 Hi Sandi- Congratulations...
Mar 30, 2002 (12:15 pm)
on your new Civic Si! We look forward to hearing more.... Happy motoring!
Hatchbacks & Station Wagons Boards
Mar 30, 2002 (3:51 pm)
#491 of 3321 May have bought an Si....
Mar 31, 2002 (3:07 pm)
I also think I bought one for a bit under $21,000 (it's on the lot, but I'll find out shortly if the dealer really delivers it), but...
I suggest Sandis_si wait and see if he really gets the car in a week. Psych yourself up for possible delaying tactics.
If they're like most dealers, and if another buyer walks in and is Si-crazy enough to offer even more, I'm suspect 'your' car could suddenly not be available (assuming they're really getting one in a week).
This happened when I bought a Honda years ago... also in high demand at that time. I made the deal, I said it was good for the specific car they showed me... next day, "Oh, we made a mistake... that one had been sold... we're really sorry"... didn't get a car for another eight weeks or so.
Sandis_si.... hope you get your car and that you enjoy it enough to justify the price. Me, I'm ambivalent: even though it's not among the hottest hatches, it suits me well (I want sportier, but don't need 200 hp; also want a hatch). But if my dealer is playing games and the deal falls through, I won't be upset... who would mind missing out on paying $1000 over MSPR for an already overpriced hatch? We'll see.