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#41 of 3321 wishbones by ejonavin Apr 18, 2001 (10:58 pm)
If the new Civic platform retained the double wishbone in the front, and is less rommy, and got worst crash test results... would people still complain? My guess is YES. You don't get somethin gfor nothing.   Besides, the hype if stupid.. the worst thing about the new suspension isn't the front... but the bouncy rear wishbone suspension.
#42 of 3321 wishbones... by bill_1 Apr 19, 2001 (5:42 am)
There seems to be almost a cult regarding wishbones and handling... Yep the BMW has rear wheel drive, but it is hardly the only car with front struts that handles as well (or in the case of the BMW better) than the Hondas with the wishbone suspension. Volkswagen has used them for years, and often has gotten great handling out of them (admittedly the current generation is tuned a bit softly). The biggest loss of the Wishbone frontend is to the tuners who like to lower their cars... that is definitely harder with struts.
#43 of 3321 Furious Honda Civic SI Owner!!! by sarahvtec Apr 19, 2001 (6:43 pm)
Why is it that Americans ALWAYS get the short end of the stick when it comes to performance? I've been anxiously awaiting the Civic Type R's arrival in the US since its 1998 inception in Japan and still no luck. All we seem to get is an under powered SI while the rest of the world enjoys the thrills of true performance, being the Civic Type R. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Honda finally decided to resurrect the SI in 1999 and again in 2002 but that's little consolation. Not only does the Civic Type R look better but it handles better as well. C'mon Honda, at least give us the option of custom ordering one since they are in every country except the U.S. Also, I agree the 2002 Hatchback looks terrible (like a Ford Focus) but the Civic Type R tries to remedy this with a stylish body kit, grey headlight housing, mesh grille, race seats, massive brakes, killer suspension, etc. What's not to like? Okay, the HUGE headlights have to go but other than that it's stunning! Any ways, I hope your listening Honda or anyone for that matter. Please bring the Civic Type R before God takes me from this place... Thank you
#44 of 3321 by liljonson Apr 19, 2001 (7:03 pm)
yea i learned to deal with the power aspect of this country. the guys who make the rules in this country (the car guys, i don't know wat they are called) are a bunch of babies. we get overpriced cars and we can't do nothing about it. oh well, i'm happy with the cars that come in this country because they still pretty cool.
#46 of 3321 RE: Ladychaos by sarahvtec Apr 20, 2001 (3:47 pm)
You raise some very valid points. Hatchbacks don't sell well in America. That's why coupe's rule our roadways. This being true, Honda is said to be importing only 12,000 Si hatchbacks next year. A limited number for sure so it will be interesting to see how well they sell. I still argue they should have brought the Civic Type R in its place. Especially if they are looking to contend with the Nissan SE-R, Mini Cooper, Subaru WRX, VW Turbo Beetle, etc. I'm sure all of these cars don't face as harsh of emition standards overseas but that is beside the point. If they can import a WRX and Integra Type R then a Civic Type R shouldn't be an issue. Go ahead and tone the engine down a little. At least we had the chance to own one. I too agree that Honda probably thinks just because it's labled a Honda people will buy it and for the most part, that's true...at least in America. you see, Honda is not as big a seller overseas as they are in the states. Perhaps that's why they are cheaper in other countries. I dunno. Thank you for taking the time to respond. I'm happy to see someone is listening to me rant & rave...
#47 of 3321 by liljonson Apr 20, 2001 (4:17 pm)
yes i like ladychoas's answer too. thank you for educating me a little more.
#48 of 3321 my $0.02 by sunilb Apr 20, 2001 (6:24 pm)
the problem is that if you are looking for a sub-$20K pocket rocket you are left with:   1- Focus SVT (170hp, 140lb-ft) 2- VW GTI 1.8T (170hp, 150lb-ft) 3- Sentra SE-R VSpec (180hp, 180lb-ft) 4- Protege MP3 (140hp, 140lb-ft) and... 4- Civic SI // Acura RSX (160hp, 130lb-ft)   What's the advantage of the SI?? Too little, and too late. It's sad that Honda brought this over only b/c of the competition... and still didn't make it all that competitive.   Honda is one of the best engineering companies in the world, I think they could have made the necessary adjustments to take care of emissions.   Plus, they would have had to do very little to keep the body moldings and nicer brakes. (ABS is finally available, though!)
#49 of 3321 RE: sunilb by sarahvtec Apr 20, 2001 (6:44 pm)
That's my point exactly! The Si is too little too late. 160HP is becoming more and more the norm this century. Thus, the Civic Type R would have been a worthy adversary. At last count it was pumping out an amazing 185HP out of 1.6L! The 2002 Si is a 2.0L pumping out 160HP. What happened? Bigger engine and I-VTEC but less HP. Either way, A Type R version would have made all the difference. Come to think of it, I think the U.S. and Canada are the only countries with an Si. So why spend all the extra R&D for two countries when you could just bring the norm, Civic Type R, to our soil? Sadly, there is little hope for a Type R anything these days. The RSX is supposedly not getting a Type R version until 2003. Utterly too long to wait and what's with giving us a RSX Type S? Just bring the Type R and stop teasing us Honda.
#50 of 3321 the si's 2.0L by pks1 Apr 20, 2001 (8:19 pm)
should be making about 210hp according to the technology Honda uses . The previous si had a 1.6 160hp engine thats 100per liter. If you take that and * by a 2.0L engine its 200hp. C'mon honda can pump out 200hp easily out of a 2.0 look at the s2000 , its 2.0 - 240hp. I think Some kind of stupid regulations in the USA want to keep the Japanese from getting americans out of business. The rest of the world get the awesome gas saving high powered cars , America gets the awesome gas saving cars. Lets face it if jap[anese models were her in the USA then the American automotive market would be going downhill.

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