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#21 of 3321 by lngtonge18 Apr 16, 2001 (8:07 pm)
I'm happy Honda brought back the Civic hatch, but its design is a mixed bag. The huge headlights need to go and I absolutely hate the shifter location. I don't want my hand up in the air everytime I want to shift! Put the darn thing in between the seats where it belongs. At least the rear and side view of the car is nice, especially the two big chrome tips and the big wheels. Anyone else see a familiarity to the Golf in the rear? I also have to commend Honda on finally giving us what we want: a hatchback that is NOT barebones transportation!
#22 of 3321 by wishbone2001 Apr 16, 2001 (8:22 pm)
Car designs take a few years to hit the market. The focus was being designed when the Civic hatchback was still around. Therefore, it is Ford that copied the Civic design, not vice versa. I do agree, however, that they could have made it more unique. And that colour......ughhhh!
#23 of 3321 by liljonson Apr 16, 2001 (9:09 pm)
I have to say that the civic si isn't the best looking car, its pretty ugly, but it will be a great performance car with plenty of kits. lets just hope some of the body kits will fix some of the ugliness so when we some on the road that are hooked up from the outside it wont make us throw up but from the engine aspects, i think this car will be one of the fastest in its price range, now lets see if that holds true. And talking about suspension....ARE THE SERIOUS?!?!?! no double wishbone??? I don't know wats happened to honda lately but the only cars i don't hear complaints about is the s2000 and the prelude, other than that i heard the new hondas are not worth it but i don't know that since i have never driven one =). is it true that their quality is quickly going down??
#24 of 3321 by tgo63 Apr 16, 2001 (9:29 pm)
I cannot understand one thing, most of car-lovers think about BMW as an ultimate driving machine. It does not comes with double-wishbone suspension. Also I believe the cost of maintainance on WRX will be much higher in a long run then on the civic. WRX is a limited production vehicle and its turbo engine will require extra care and won't last as long as a non-turbo one. In MHO the front of WRX looks awesome, but the rear end sucs. If money were not object I would just get M3, but since my budget is tight I will be happy with Civic si. If I had more money to spend on the car I would go with WRX, but for me civic will be a better value in long run. Right now we own y2k accord and 98 escort both with 5 speed tranny and looking for escort replacement.
#25 of 3321 by mdriver Apr 17, 2001 (7:00 am)
Imagine that! BMWs don't use double wishbone suspension, but are considered the best handling cars. There are also some Chryslers which have double wishbone suspension but would never be regarded in the same league as a BMW. Honda did such a good marketing job on the wishbones, that it now can't shake that image. Maybe we can put to rest the double wishbone debate.
#26 of 3321 by qbrozen Apr 17, 2001 (7:05 am)
wishbone2001 -   But, as I already pointed out, the old Civic design doesn't look like a Focus. So I don't see how Focus ripped it off. If this new Si design was circulating before the design of the Focus, then I could see your point. But it wasn't.   Its not unusual for a car company to see a design doing well in the market (the Focus) and copy it to compete in that market. Like Markwanc said, he likes the Focus, and therefore likes the Civic. That is what Honda is shooting for.
#27 of 3321 by hoanvt Apr 17, 2001 (7:14 am)
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The 2002 Si looks awesome!
#29 of 3321 pictures by qbrozen Apr 17, 2001 (10:20 am)
I'll let those pictures do all the talking.   Personally, I think they're both ugly (actually, all 3 if you count the echo).
#30 of 3321 by liljonson Apr 17, 2001 (12:42 pm)
Yea its true that the double wishbone suspension is sticking with honda. I can't imagine a honda without it. THe beauty part, i think the car isn't great looking but it is pretty cool looking, it makes me want to know more about the car. The car doesn't look aggressive but with the SI v-tec backing it up, think it has a good reputation going for it. The stick is in a wierd place but people have told me that its better so i guess honda is trying to reclaim their rightful place as #1, they've got to do something, their cars are getting boring.

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