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Dec 17, 2002 (2:40 pm)
After realizing I was asking my question in the forum that no one looks at, I figured I should ask it here in hopes that someone knows.
I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to swap my exhaust from my 1998 civic ex to the 2002 civic si? I doubt it is possible, but I didnt know since it is just a catback exhaust. The exhaust is listed to fit in the 1992-2000 civic exhaust, but Apexi, the manufacturer, does not state anything about 2001+ civics or any other car 2001+ for that matter, on their website. It says it will work for "Civic Coupe 92-00 EX / Si, DX 92-95". I also have an AEM short ram air intake on the 1998 civic, but I figured because of the engine design on the 2002, it would not work out.
I also have a honda 6 disk cd changer from my 98 civic ex and wondered if I could just pull it out and put it in the 2002 SI? I also have a cassette deck, but would have to somehow spraypaint that silver to make it match the dash and since I dont use cassettes anymore, would probably just leave it in the car. Seems im going to get nothing for it when I trade the car in, so why the hell let them sell the car afterwards for more.
#1476 of 3321 2 excellent cars for less than $16K
Dec 17, 2002 (2:51 pm)
Rivertown writes: "LOL, I cannot resist saying (yes, again) that no one, not one person amongst this bright group, has pointed to a car they'd rather have for the same money. The closest is vdap waffling on makes I wouldn't have (on reliability and resale grounds) with sales prices $1000+ higher." We RT, I have two for you
SVT is selling for $1.49K net of $2,500 rebate.
Hyundai Elantra GT lists ~$15.3K with sunroof, but can be had for $2K less net of $1K rebate (plus qualified buyers get 0% for 36 months).
Actually the Hy GT has scores high in 7 important categories.
1. Low cost to own (see above).
2. Low cost to operate over 5 years: According to Edmunds TCO = $.35 per mile.
3. Reliablity: very few, minor complaints posted for Hyundias after 2000.
4. Good dealership service: almost no complaints.
5. Practical: 4 doors, hatchback with hi content.
6. Does nearly everything very well according to Car & Driver (ranked # 2 small cars in Nov 02) & Edmunds Long term test. These were both the 4 door sedans, the GT should do as well or better with gas shocks & bigger sway bars.
The main thing the Hy GT lacks is a prestigous name & boy racer (dare I say "Rice Boy") image. True, performance is not quite up to other "hot hatches", but it does have comfortable, adjustable, leather seats, corners nicely & does 0-60 in 8.3-8.5 seconds depending on review. Plus for an extra grand For an extra grand one could improve easily improve the handling & 0-60 -- probably in the Si range -- with wider 15" tires, strut bar, bigger sway bars, low restiction induction & exhaust.
I've have had my share of Boy Racers including Mustang Mach 1, tuned Volvo 1800S, 92 Civic Si, and tuned Del Sol Si. Yes, they were fun to drive & turned heads! But in reality, I spend 98% of my time driving safely & sanely, thinking as much about gas mileage as how high my tach can spin. Perhaps I can't run with this crowd any more!
I started to look for a replacement for my Del Sol Si 4-5 months ago. I wanted something more practical and comfortable that was fun, yet inexpensive to drive. I also wanted to spend less than $7.5K. I could easily afford $30K+, but like the "millionaire next door" my personal stewardship principles prohibit that.
The 1st car I looked at was the Hy GT. I liked it a lot, but my wife panned it because it was a 4 door and didn't like the overall style.
So I started to look at the 02 Si & GTI. I love the comfort & performance of the GTI. The Si drives really sweet, though it is a stripper compared to the GTI & even the GT. But after 2 months of dickering, I am realizing that I ain't gonna get an Si or GTI for less than $9K. If I do, either on will cost $3-$5K more to own over the next 5 years according to Edmunds.
Yes Rivertown, when all factors are considered, personally, I would rather have the (gulp)Hy GT!
So, unless something comes along to significantly change my mind in the next two weeks, it looks like I may be driving the "lowly" Hyundai GT afterall. Now, if I can only convince my wife to ride in it!
Dec 17, 2002 (3:14 pm)
Not a bad idea in principle. My taste is for a new car, though, that I can reasonably expect to drive with fun for years after it's paid off. So, a used car would need to be a cream puff that I knew something about - specifically and make/model.
Dec 17, 2002 (3:24 pm)
Cool. Nissan grabs you, you oughta get it. At 15K, make mine SI.
Dec 17, 2002 (3:49 pm)
LOL, you ain't answering the question. Any car in 15K-16K range you'd buy over an SI? LOL, I do like Hondas; but the question is "Is there any 15-16K car YOU like more than the SI?"
Ok, IF no '02 SI's at 15K AND only '03 SI's at 18K? We ain't there, so it's hypothetical. Even so, I'd probably go SI over GTI, given my take on real world reliability and dealer networks (I know, you stipulated equal reliability. Assuming what I want to assume, LOL, I'll assume an S2000 can be had at Miata sticker, and buy that.)
I don't get the 'free for all' scenario; so, I don't know how to respond.
Dec 17, 2002 (4:02 pm)
If I can't get the SI at 15K, I'll consider the SVT if it can actually be had for 15K. the write ups look great, though my take is that the quality/reliability issue is still iffy.
I haven't really given Hyundai serious consideration; memories of Hyundai's that look like crap after 3 years are still too clear in my head. To be fair, Hyundai quality could well have risen; and I'm overlooking a bargain.
Dec 17, 2002 (4:22 pm)
I was surprized, too. BIG marketing flub, IMO.
Resale? I figure resale will stay about the same %-wise and considering age, providing one doesn't pay too much to begin with.
Dec 17, 2002 (5:10 pm)
napa: I would call a local muffer shop and see if the exhaust would work for both cars. Since it is aftermarket I think it should work but none of us are mechanics so check with the experts.
As for the changer ... Honda still sources head units from Alpine but not sure if they source the 02 SI's head unit from Alpine so again, check with the experts.
Watch out for that Hyundai and know that the 181HP advertised is only 170 ... that would explain why it's performance times were on par with the SI and slower than the SVT and GTI even though it has a V6.
I think I would take the 99-00 SI over the 02 if I didn't have to drive to work every day. The 00 SI isn't a bad car to drive in traffic but I always find myself magically drawn to the 5000 RPM mark when you can hear the cold-air intake sucking up air. It feels like it's on rails, and the interior has soft touch and the height adjustments on the seat. It's a really tough call between the 2 and had I not gotten such an awesome deal on the 02 I wouldn't have bought it because I liked my black 00 SI just fine. The blue 00 we bought was supposed to be mine but I could tell when I looked over at gee the first night we drove it home that I wasn't going to be driving it.
Dec 17, 2002 (5:49 pm)
Okay, to all who keep comparing the 00 and 99 SI to the 02:
Honda has brilliant engineers behind them, and for saying that this new i-VTEC sucks are ignorant, as so am I, by not having a masters in engineering. Who are you to question their intellect?
I just think the best way to put it is, yes, it doesn't have the heart thumping kick the 00 SI has but its more hp, THE 02 SI IS THE GROWN-UP MATURED VERSION OF THE 00 SI. The 02 doesn't need the cry of the motor every time, The 2K2 SI knows it has the power, but its able to blow you away quietly and assertivly. I hope this puts this battle to rest and people realize they cant try to demote the proven ideas of Hondas techs.
I got my SI for 15k in STL, MO
Also, does any one know where to find a true short through shifter for the new SI not just brackets or pivot point crap