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#1222 of 3321 TTL in CA by hatch5 Nov 18, 2002 (4:03 pm)
I got price quote for $14,499 from Colonial Honda in Glendale.   I was very happy with the price untill I asked them the total price after TTL, which they say will be 16,211. The difference is 1,763, and that means 607 after 8% sales tax.   Anybody know how much TTL will be considered reasonable here in CA ?
#1223 of 3321 by anonymousposts Nov 18, 2002 (4:36 pm)
It's no secret that Honda is replacing transmissions in certain Accords and Odys. Without having the specifics on what models were having what done it's a little hasty to say "WOW, how many transmissions are failing".   Quite a few problems? Have you bothered to check other forums? Any car can have problems. The thing with a Honda is chances are those problems are going to be few and far between when compared with comparable cars in their class. And if they are as problematic as you are making them out to be then I guess I am just darn lucky because mine run like clockwork.
#1224 of 3321 Si re anonymousposts by moparbad Nov 18, 2002 (7:29 pm)
Vibration in steering, interior fit and finish problems, oil consumption and fuel system/CEL problems are the items affecting the Si from what I've read on these forums and others, from talking to the dealer, and personal experience. Am I missing anything? The dealer service writer told me that the Si and the Hybrid are the most likely Civics to show up in the service bay. I like my Si but I am not brainwashed to think since it is a Honda it will be trouble free.   Question- You earlier stated it is no secret that Honda is replacing transmissions in Accords and Odys.. This would indicate that there is a widespread problem with transmissions. You then state it is hasty for me to say question how many transmissions are being replaced. So is there a transmission problem or am I being hasty? Having a transmission fail on a Honda w/in 36,000 miles on a Honda is surprising to me and for two people at one dealership w/in one hours time have bad transmissions diagnosed was very surprising. And one owner had an Accord and the other a van.   You are fortunate that your car is problem free but this does not mean you should criticize those of us who do have cars with problems.
#1226 of 3321 hatch5 by crikey Nov 19, 2002 (7:32 am)
The $607 difference might have included a dreaded documentation fee which may be a couple of hundred greenbacks. I would find out. But, that's a hell of a deal that you're getting.
#1227 of 3321 by anonymousposts Nov 19, 2002 (6:53 pm)
Vibration in steering? That was traced back to tires if I'm not mistaken and was paid for by Honda. Interior fit and finish "problems"? If you check consumer reports almost every car has sample defects. There are few cars that come out of the factory absolutely perfect. Oil consumption? The S2000 and the RSX which has the same 2.0L engine suffered from the same "problem" and after a few thousand miles it tapered off. I agree that it's not desirable for your car to consume oil but follow your owner's manual and use common sense and keep an eye on your oil. I treated the car like a baby until it was out of the recommended break-in period and have checked it about every 500-600 miles. To date I have used a qt .. this isn't quite what I consider to be a "problem". It's more an inconvenience than anything else.   And maybe that particular service departmet does see more SI's and Hybrids than any other Civic. Again, without specifics that's heresay. And both models are in their first year of production so maybe they do need a few adjustments. Who knows .. I do know that mine has been problem free. Like I said, I guess I am just darn lucky .. maybe I should go play the lottery tonight.   There is not a widespread problem with Honda transmissions. Yes certain V6 models are getting replacement transmissions but it is far from widespread when it is only 2%. Widespread is almost all Taurus/Windstars/Caravans needing a transmission replacement within 60,000 miles. Some manufacturer's would kill to only have a 2% failure rate. I'm assuming that you had a conversation with the two people there since you know they both had a diagnosis of a bad transmission and they were under warranty. Did you find out if the cars they had were within the model range that Honda said was affected?   Why shouldn't I criticize those who do have problems when I get criticized and called a Honda fanatic because I don't?
#1228 of 3321 CTR in U.S ... $25.5K by sunilb Nov 19, 2002 (7:32 pm)
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#1229 of 3321 Civic Si re anony by moparbad Nov 20, 2002 (7:18 am)
I like my Si and am looking for solutions to problems and am honestly reporting my experience. The fact that you fail to recognize any defects, criticize people who have them instead of helping, call any information from others heresay (it is hearsay) and then make a blanket condemnation of Taurus/Windstar/Caravan just makes you seem mean spririted and uninformed. It is not hearsay when I was a witness to the problems and they are verified. I was there. What is the source of your 2% figure for transmission replacement? Wouldn't be from Honda would it?
#1230 of 3321 by anonymousposts Nov 20, 2002 (7:43 am)
I fail to recognize defects? Just because I haven't had any yet? I do not criticize those who have legitimate problems and are looking for a solution. I do not agree with those who use one problem to bash Honda. Read any forum on Edmunds and you are bound to see cars with problems. It's that simple.   And what you posted about the transmissions is hearsay. If you look up hearsay on webster's it refers you to the definition of rumor which is this: "talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source". Please tell me what else you saying that there were 2 Hondas there under warranty getting their transmissions replaced could be defined as. And you say that it's verified? How? By you maybe. But you relaying that information to a 3rd party does become hearsay. And again, since you have so much information about these 2 cars what year models were they?   You were trying to make a blanket condemnation of Honda by saying that there were 2 Hondas at the dealership (heaven forbid someone actually get their car repaired in a service center) getting their transmissions replaced so therefore Honda must have a widespread problem. Honda has came out and given us data on how many transmissions could possibly be affected. And it's widely known that Taurus', Caravans, and Windstars have serious transmission problems going way back into their history and affecting significantly more than 2% of their models.   You know this is all unnecessary ... if you don't like you car or feel that there is a better car out there then get rid of it and get something that's a little more suitable for your needs.
#1231 of 3321 Transmissions re anony by moparbad Nov 20, 2002 (8:50 am)
2001 Accord and 2000 Odyssey both needed transmission replaced. The Accord was tan and the Odyssey was silver. Neither was a complete failure as both cars made it to the dealership under their own power.   quote anonymous- Maybe you should've treated the car better during the initial break-in period. end quote.   Is this helpful? No. The person had a legitimate problem of oil consumption. I can see we are not going to agree, this is nothing new to you as I think you post only to inflame others or your view is so detached from reality that most people do not agree with you. By the way, it is not hearsay if I witnessed the people being told that they needed new transmissions as I was a "witness" and this is not a rumor nor did I hear about it from a third party. If you can not understand this it explains a lot.   See post 1192 where I say that I like my Si. This is not Honda bashing.   There is a TSB for the fuel system problem on Civics. Is this problem legitimate?   fanatic- A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.

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