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Sedans Honda Civic Honda Civic Si / SiR 2005 and earlier
3321 messages, Last post on Dec 21, 2007 at 4:11 PM
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The mechanic at the dealership stated that loose fuel cap would not cause the specific code that was stored. I've noticed in this Civic discussion that owners problems are often automatically blamed on owner ignorance and stupidity. Same thing in the Toyota area. In the VW areas the problems are almost always blamed on poor quality of VW even when the owners are clearly to blame. No wonder Honda has such great reliability reputation, when the cars break it is the owners fault;) |
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Yeah, funny how that happens, huh? The Si is the only Honda I'd consider as a replacement for my Prelude (aside from the S2000), but I'm not encouraged by the number of trim and fit & finish problems being mentioned. Not to mention the oil consumption, which does appear excessive (even for lightweight oil). Maybe Si owners are seeing some result of the assembly process and QC at the Swindon, England Honda plant. Bummer. |
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Logic would lead you to the gas cap not sealing the gas system. I would get a second opinion. The reason most problems here are blamed on the owner is that many problems can be traced to something the owner did or didn't do. Especially after the vehicle has been in service for a while. Tprice has legitimate issue that the require dealership attention. Especially since he just got the car. But if you buy a new Si and immediately take it out and do speed tests to see if yours is the fastest one on the block then find that it's drinking oil it's not the car's fault. You didn't read the break-in directions that specifically said avoid those situations. Honda has a reputation for reliability because they seem to have one of the lowest occurences of problems with their cars over time. You may have drawn the short straw this time. Just because your one Honda has an issue doesn't mean Honda sucks. I mean even if 2% of Honda's cars have a problem that means 980,000 other Hondas are just fine. I'll take those odds. Considering they've built and sold 400,000 Accords and 300,000 Civics for the past 10 years or so it would be very hard to hide inherent flaws. |
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New 2002 Si advertised for $14,933 today plus TTL at Continental Honda in Chicago area. I should have waited for lower prices;) Regarding Honda and reliability and my earlier post. No where did I even mention that Honda sucks. My point is that that there are quite a few problems with civic Si compared to the number of people posting here. And there were two people with Hondas requiring transmission replacement under warranty during the hour that I was in the waiting room. The transmissions were not for Civics but WOW how many transmissions are failing. I get a CEL and right away everyone blames the gas cap when I initially stated that I already was aware of the gas cap requirement to be secured properly. Now after the dealership has eliminated the gas cap as a possible problem I still have people blaming the gas cap. What kind of logic is this. The CEL occurred at less than 1/2 a tank, at startup, the gas cap was tight, the dealership stated the code was not for the gas cap, and you think I should get a second opionion. Not logical at all. On the oil usage issue the owner was blamed for improper breakin even before anyone asked how the car was driven during break in miles. Not nice. |
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In addition to the feedback here, you may also want to check out Edmunds' Maintenance Guide to see if you can find any NHTSA TSBs (Technical Service Bulletins) that might be related to your vehicle problem/s.
Moparbad - Here's one I came across that I thought you might find interesting. The trouble code mentioned is similar to the one you mentioned above. Perhaps it might be related. |
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I got price quote for $14,499 from Colonial Honda in Glendale. I was very happy with the price untill I asked them the total price after TTL, which they say will be 16,211. The difference is 1,763, and that means 607 after 8% sales tax. Anybody know how much TTL will be considered reasonable here in CA ? |
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It's no secret that Honda is replacing transmissions in certain Accords and Odys. Without having the specifics on what models were having what done it's a little hasty to say "WOW, how many transmissions are failing". Quite a few problems? Have you bothered to check other forums? Any car can have problems. The thing with a Honda is chances are those problems are going to be few and far between when compared with comparable cars in their class. And if they are as problematic as you are making them out to be then I guess I am just darn lucky because mine run like clockwork. |
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Vibration in steering, interior fit and finish problems, oil consumption and fuel system/CEL problems are the items affecting the Si from what I've read on these forums and others, from talking to the dealer, and personal experience. Am I missing anything? The dealer service writer told me that the Si and the Hybrid are the most likely Civics to show up in the service bay. I like my Si but I am not brainwashed to think since it is a Honda it will be trouble free. Question- You earlier stated it is no secret that Honda is replacing transmissions in Accords and Odys.. This would indicate that there is a widespread problem with transmissions. You then state it is hasty for me to say question how many transmissions are being replaced. So is there a transmission problem or am I being hasty? Having a transmission fail on a Honda w/in 36,000 miles on a Honda is surprising to me and for two people at one dealership w/in one hours time have bad transmissions diagnosed was very surprising. And one owner had an Accord and the other a van. You are fortunate that your car is problem free but this does not mean you should criticize those of us who do have cars with problems. |
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