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3321 messages, Last post on Dec 21, 2007 at 4:11 PM
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frederic92025, I had the exact same problem that you described. What happened is that the car ate all the oil during the first 4,000 miles. The dealer first claimed that it was a leak, but I did not see any evidence of this after the initial problem. I changed dealers. I wish I had better news for you. I have over 21,000 miles on my car and have had to check the oil every 500-1000 miles since it consumes so much. I would expect that you will have the same problem. Here's my advice: document every dealer encounter, and have them check, add and change your oil. Depending on your state, you will need to give the dealership an opportunity to "fix" the problem (typically 3 or 4 attempts). Once you have done this, you will be eligible for a legal claim. The manufacturer will tell you that it's OK to use 1 quart of oil every 1,000 miles. (This is no joke!) If you follow the manufaturers guideline for oil changes (one change every 10,000 miles under normal circumstances) you will have to add 6-10 quarts of oil between changes! The most important step is to get the dealer to run an "oil consumption" test. They will accurately mark and measure that level between oil changes such that they can say determine exactly how much oil is being used. Once this is done, they will get an official response from Honda (make sure this is documented in your invoive) regarding the excess consumption after the test is completed. I have a current legal case against Honda. If you need any more information about my experience or how to get it resolved , let me know. |
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| Maybe you should've treated the car better during the initial break-in period. | |
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| Could be caused by the incomplete sealing of the system...I.E. a loose gas cap. | |
| I took delivery of my Si on Thursday. Overall, I think it is a great car - based on 300 miles of driving. However, a couple of "problems" have shown up. The first one is a loose fitting trim piece at the front of the passenger side arm rest - in front of the handle. It seems like the two separated pieces should snap together but they won't. The second and more distubing item is after going through a car wash today I had a fair amount of water streaming down on the inside of the rear glass. It seemed to be coming in by the high brake light but don't know for sure. I thought it was on the outside (where it belonged!) until I ran the rear wiper and realized it was not clearing the water. I will wait a week or two before returning car for warranty work on these two items to see if anything else shows up. Neither is a big deal but together they take a little of the excitement off of the new car experience. There is a lot to like about the Si and am still happy with it - just wish these hadn't shown up. Hopefully, there will be easy resolution of both items and they'll be the last! I'm especially interested in whether or not anyone else has had the water issue on the inside of the rear hatch glass?? | |
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The mechanic at the dealership stated that loose fuel cap would not cause the specific code that was stored. I've noticed in this Civic discussion that owners problems are often automatically blamed on owner ignorance and stupidity. Same thing in the Toyota area. In the VW areas the problems are almost always blamed on poor quality of VW even when the owners are clearly to blame. No wonder Honda has such great reliability reputation, when the cars break it is the owners fault;) |
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Yeah, funny how that happens, huh? The Si is the only Honda I'd consider as a replacement for my Prelude (aside from the S2000), but I'm not encouraged by the number of trim and fit & finish problems being mentioned. Not to mention the oil consumption, which does appear excessive (even for lightweight oil). Maybe Si owners are seeing some result of the assembly process and QC at the Swindon, England Honda plant. Bummer. |
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Logic would lead you to the gas cap not sealing the gas system. I would get a second opinion. The reason most problems here are blamed on the owner is that many problems can be traced to something the owner did or didn't do. Especially after the vehicle has been in service for a while. Tprice has legitimate issue that the require dealership attention. Especially since he just got the car. But if you buy a new Si and immediately take it out and do speed tests to see if yours is the fastest one on the block then find that it's drinking oil it's not the car's fault. You didn't read the break-in directions that specifically said avoid those situations. Honda has a reputation for reliability because they seem to have one of the lowest occurences of problems with their cars over time. You may have drawn the short straw this time. Just because your one Honda has an issue doesn't mean Honda sucks. I mean even if 2% of Honda's cars have a problem that means 980,000 other Hondas are just fine. I'll take those odds. Considering they've built and sold 400,000 Accords and 300,000 Civics for the past 10 years or so it would be very hard to hide inherent flaws. |
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New 2002 Si advertised for $14,933 today plus TTL at Continental Honda in Chicago area. I should have waited for lower prices;) Regarding Honda and reliability and my earlier post. No where did I even mention that Honda sucks. My point is that that there are quite a few problems with civic Si compared to the number of people posting here. And there were two people with Hondas requiring transmission replacement under warranty during the hour that I was in the waiting room. The transmissions were not for Civics but WOW how many transmissions are failing. I get a CEL and right away everyone blames the gas cap when I initially stated that I already was aware of the gas cap requirement to be secured properly. Now after the dealership has eliminated the gas cap as a possible problem I still have people blaming the gas cap. What kind of logic is this. The CEL occurred at less than 1/2 a tank, at startup, the gas cap was tight, the dealership stated the code was not for the gas cap, and you think I should get a second opionion. Not logical at all. On the oil usage issue the owner was blamed for improper breakin even before anyone asked how the car was driven during break in miles. Not nice. |
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In addition to the feedback here, you may also want to check out Edmunds' Maintenance Guide to see if you can find any NHTSA TSBs (Technical Service Bulletins) that might be related to your vehicle problem/s.
Moparbad - Here's one I came across that I thought you might find interesting. The trouble code mentioned is similar to the one you mentioned above. Perhaps it might be related. |
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