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#1122 of 3321 Re: price offers - hamproof by theracoon Nov 07, 2002 (7:09 am)
I agree with the cost of the car + destination charges, but I would also add dealer documentation fees. My experience is that most dealers won't negotiate these, even when competing against a dealer with a much lower fee.   Tax, Title, and registration should be excluded since they are specific to the state and county where you live.   JM2C
#1123 of 3321 Keep in mind doc fees varies by state. In MI, doc fee is a standard $40 by hamproof Nov 07, 2002 (7:12 am)
though there's a proposal to increase this to $200 or so. Some states are known to charge $200-$300. Not sure if the state is ripping off the customer or the dealership is.   Anyway, what's the best price anyone has gotten for an 03 Si? Please list state too, if possible.
#1124 of 3321 redrluv - buying a $20k Civic is equiv. to someone by hamproof Nov 07, 2002 (7:22 am)
paying $28k for an Accord. It is too much money! The only Civic that will sell for around $20k is the hybrid Civic.   If you are paying $20k for a regular Civic EX or loaded Accord EX to the wazoo ($26k), you are paying for unnecessary things in the car. But it is your money. You are free to spend it how you see fit.   Oh yeah, RSX also has a factory performance package though it is mainly visual. Larger rims, spoilers, exhaush (??) etc. for $4k too. I think an online car magazines says it is about 30% overpriced compared to aftermarket, but since you are getting full manuf. warranty + being able to finance the money, it is acceptable. $4k would push the RSX-S to about $26k-$27k BEFORE taxes and that my friend, ain't cheap. For that money, $27-$32k, you are in these cars territory - A4, 325, 93, S60, CL/CL-S, C240, CTS, IS300.
#1125 of 3321 Cost re hamproof by moparbad Nov 07, 2002 (8:05 am)
A price always includes destination. Without destination it is not the price is it?
#1126 of 3321 Some nice SIs at SEMA show. Go here for photos: by hamproof Nov 07, 2002 (8:16 am)
Link to www.vtec.net   It is in the news item. Should be there for a few days.   Side view sure looks like a Foci! But I like it   Moparbad - I agree with you. Price should include destination. But you'll be surprised some people will qoute you prices (dealers/friends/family/aliens) and not include dest. just to *show* that they got a good deal.   But it is always good to be specific.
#1127 of 3321 That' like saying... by gee35coupe Nov 07, 2002 (8:17 am)
Should I get a loaded Civic or a base Accord. If you want a 20,000 Civic buy it. There are people who buy a brand new car slam it to the ground and yank the engine out of it for something better. Just because that's not your cup of tea, why act like it doesn't happen? I mean there was a car built from the Festiva called the Shogun which had the V6 from the SHO in it. Costed a lot more than a regular Festiva but I'm sure he sold a couple of them. Very few cars are sold for MSRP so even if the price of a "real" Si was 21,000 only a few people would probably pay that much. The rest would be haggling in the sub 20,000 range just like the 17,000 Si prices that we have now. In addition hatchbacks only say "cheap" in this country. Even if they only sold a few of them here they would still sell enough of them to make money in other places with more open minds. Peugeot, Ford, Citroen, Toyota, etc all make hatches for Europe where they sell like hotcakes for the space efficiency. Importing a few of them into the U.S. wouldn't hurt.
#1128 of 3321 I wish they'll import more hatches into US by hamproof Nov 07, 2002 (8:30 am)
But it is not just a matter of putting them onto a ship and shipping them over. The biggest hurdle I believe is to get it certified for US market (crash and emissions). The very same reason why the Lotus Elise is still not available here. Can you imagine what will happen is an Exploder smacks right in front of the Elise??   It is up to the individual to get a loaded Civic or base Accord. I guess I was implying the average American will tend to spend more than what they can afford and get a mid-level Accord   Seriously, you cannot tell me that America is not a country driven by name brands. Sure, you and I might not care if we drive a Honda or Acura, Toyota or Lexus, VW or Audi, Nissan or Infiniti, but there are people who do and I do believe a majority of the average joes and janes care.   Honda can bring a CTR over if they want but the bean counters will probably not agree. There's a reason why we have an RSX-S here but the rest of the world has a CTR. Wagon like hatches DO NOT sell well here other than the euro Audi/BMW/MB/Saab/Volvo (Volvo is a stretch). Even those are considered 5 doors. RSX is a hatch yes, but it is a different hatch from the CTR.   Btw, if Honda brings the CTR over (w/o decontenting it - how could they anymore ) and sells it for $21k MSRP, I would be more than happy to eat my words. In this aspect I agree w/ anonymouspost. CTR will cost in the range of $22-$24k. It cost that much in Europe. With the additional cost to get it certified for US emissions, crashworthiness etc. who knows how much it'll cost. I bet the bean counters will step in and say no! But I'm ready to admit I'm wrong if that's the case. Just make sure I've first dips on a CTR.
#1129 of 3321 Regarding the New Saab by gsgman69 Nov 07, 2002 (9:55 am)
Yes, I do think it will hurt sales among Saab loyalist and this may not be balanced out with new converts to the brand. 18 months ago the car at the top of my list was the Sentra Spec V. Then I heard about the Civic Si, Focus SVT coming out. Eventually I opted for a GTI, but the main reason the Sentra fell out of contention was that it was a sedan, and a small sedan at that w/o the versatility of my hatch.   I think the perception in the U.S. is that hatchbacks are the cars forced onto us during the twin oil crisis of the 70's. Those cars were slow, economical, odd looking and didn't fit the American standard of what a car should look like. Unfortunately this has carried over today with many people born before 1970. The youth of this country do not have any negative stigmas with hatches or even wagons. That's why were are getting all of these crossover vehicles that automakers will never describes as wagons. Especially in this SUV era where utility is prized above the driving experience it makes little sense to sedanize everything.   GM should of looked at Saab as unique and thus more valuable as being one of the only luxury cars with a hatch, but they really are a company deserving of a credit rating just 2 notches above junk bond status.
#1130 of 3321 Re: doc fees varies by state - hamproof by theracoon Nov 07, 2002 (10:47 am)
In some states the doc fees vary by dealer. While looking for an '02 Coupe earlier this year the fees quoted by three different dealers were $40, $90, and $190. All dealers were no more than 30 miles apart.   JM2C
#1131 of 3321 gsgman - I agree with you by hamproof Nov 07, 2002 (10:50 am)
The people I know who favors hatches are generally born after 1970. Though there are exceptions and among them, I can think of a couple who dislikes hatches.   But a majority of the people I know who are > 30 wouldn't be caught dead in a hatch. In the Celica/RSX/Cougar hatches, it is not so much a problem. Just not the Metros/GTi/Si hatches.   So, the 1970 guideline is pretty accurate.

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