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#843 of 1536 Freelander 02 story
Jul 11, 2005 (12:19 pm)
Like many here, we purchased...in good faith...our Freelanders only to find out about all the "normal" little problems. My vehicle currently sits in the parking lot...once again... of the dealership awaiting yet another repair...the transmission. Of the ~1250 days that I've had this vehicle, almost 100 days have been in the shop (~8%), and I've not been off-roading unless you count a country dirt-road.
I've also had the problem with the front disk brakes, every 20K miles or so, but managed to get one of those "life-time" brake pad guarantees, that includes labor if it's less than 2yrs/24K miles between brake jobs. So far that's paid for itself.
The current state of my vehicle is DOA of the Jatco transmission. Even though I brought the vehicle in before the warranty expired complaining of the engine "racing" when it shifts between 2 & 3 gears, they found no "unusual" probem found a told me to drive it until it's reproduceable or a service light come on so they can get a computer code. Well, now that I'm just out of the warranty, the problem is reproduceable...with a 4 & F flashing in the odometer. After almost two weeks, I'm still waiting to hear from LRNA Customer Service as they evaluate "the vehicle problem history" to determine what they plan to do next.
With an estimated repair price of ~$4,300 (rebuilt) to ~$7,500 (new), they still have not told me WHAT is broken in the trans (gear, control board, belt, etc)....only that it doesn't work and that it needs to be replaced. To make matter worse, there are no "certified/authorized" repair companies outside of Land Rover according to both LRNA and Jatco Techechnical Hot-line. So there is no one I can go to for a second opinion, isn't that considered extortion?
Check engine light code T1000 - unknown code
Rear view mirror vibrates
Check engine light code P1000 - loose wire on coolant sensor
Rear view mirror vibrates - parts on order
Car unlocks at time by itself - unable to verify
Mirror still vibrates - replaced
Only one key will start the vehicle
attempt to repair ignition key problem
LRNA Recall - diagnostic ground wire
LRNA Recall - hard shift software upgrade
LRNA Recall - thermostat monitor software
LRNA Recall - electric window fuze upgrade
LRNA Recall - A/C hose rerouting
attempt to repair ignition key problem
attempt to repair ignition key problem
LRNA Recall - diagnostic ground wire install
attempt to repair ignition key problem - fixed 04/29/2003
Coolant resivoir low - replaced thermostat
Coolant resivoir low - replaced hose
Check engine light - unable to verify
Service Engine Soon light - VIS motors replaced
Service Engine Soon light - performed technical alert
Service Engine Soon light - worn gasket - replaced filler cap
Replace left rear tail light
Replaced driver side mirror
Traction Control/Hill Decent light problem - replaced brake switch
Inspect HVAC drain tube - Service bulletin 122
Perform tech bulletin B294 ???
Left mirror delaminating - replaced mirror
Passenger mirror delaminating - replaced mirror
Interior smells of fumes - broken cam cover/pcv hose, replaced
HVAC fan not working - replaced fan and heater matrix
Revs before shifting 2 to 3 gear when cold - no unusual problem found
Throttle body inspection and replacement
Jatco trans sensor updates - inspect only
Right rear window lifter not working - replaced
Replaced A-Pillar trim - safety recall
RPM's jump really hight, no acceleration - Need to replace trans
Flashing 4 and F in odometer
For what it's worth.......
#844 of 1536 Re: 2002 Freelander HSE exhaust / coolant smell [lrowner]
Jul 11, 2005 (12:25 pm)
In my Freelander I had the same smell. It was the a broken cam cover/pcv hose leaking exhaust fumes into the cabin and the heater matrix and fan motor because of a crack leaking coolant in the cabin and being circulated by the fan. In my case the coolant was dripping on the fan a shorted it out. I also noticed a slight fog on the windshield when I used the defroster setting on the vent.
Hope this helps.
#846 of 1536 Re: 2002 Freelander - BEST WAY OUT???
Jul 13, 2005 (4:32 am)
We have owned our 02 Freelander for a little over a year. We have almost all of the issues discussed on this board and it was purchased with less than 30,000 miles. It has been in service more than we have had it on the road. It was in for 2 months and the transmission and harness were replaced. After the car was returned it went back in and had the lower stabilizer rod from the engine to the frame replaced because of severe front end shaking. We are so frustrated with this truck we want to know the best way to get rid of it. It is only a matter of time before the next problem occurs and the warranty will be expired. We could not afford all of these repairs if it was not under warranty. What is the best way to get rid of the car? I feel bad selling the problem to someone else. Should we buy the extended warranty and transfer it? When the buyer sees all the repairs will they run ?? The other route is to trade it in and take a big loss. Any suggestions or information from your own experience would be appreciated. Thank You Chris
#847 of 1536 Any 2005 Issues?
Jul 13, 2005 (7:31 am)
In reading most of the post here, I've noted the recurring issues for the early users of the Freelander (i.e. 2002, and some other years.) So I'm certain that I would not purchase any of these models. Sorry to hear that issues have popped up for the owners.
I have not seen issues regarding the 2005 model and was wondering if similar issues were popping up. Also have noted that the model has been discontinued and that a newer one will be coming out. From the pictures that I've seen, it looks too big for my needs even though it appears to be slight in changes.
I'm interested in this model as I'm looking for a change in autos though I certainly don't want to get myself into what many have described, hence the question of the '05 model. Have the issues been cleared up or are they just waiting to happen?
Wish I could figure out what it is that makes me desire one of these knowing its background. Thanks for your help.
#848 of 1536 Re: Steering Bolt Failure [angryatlr]
Jul 13, 2005 (11:10 am)
We own a 2001 Freelander TD4 SE. On July 7 2005 it sounds like we experienced the same fault. Investigation the next day showed both main steering rack bolts fell out I first noticed this evening before on the motorway. The steering needed 1/2 turn before anything happened. I managed to get the car home. I ordered 2 new bolts from Land Rover, but I am unable to get them in, after reading your letter I guess the old ones must be sheered inside. Not sure what to do next? What was the outcome of yours?
#849 of 1536 Another 2002 Transmission bites the dust F 4
Jul 14, 2005 (4:42 pm)
Well, I've owned my Freelander since new in 2002. I have 51,000 miles on the vehicle. It has had problems, although I thought minor until now (water in the tail light, new battery, faulty starting problems). Guess you can tolerate a whole lot more when it is under warranty. I have had all of my service done at the same Landrover dealership I bought the car from on the North side of Houston.
I was driving the car last Sunday from Nacogdoches back to Houston and along the way, stopping at a stop sign, something happened! I began to drive and the yellow light came on, check engine soon and the blinking F 4 that I am now realizing is so infamous! I had it towed all the way from Lufkin on a flatbed truck to the dealership. We have made 2 calls to Landrover customer service department and are awaiting a response on how our transmission will be handled. Of course, we are being told they are UNAWARE of any transmission problems!
Seems like there would be an attorney somewhere that would want to handle a class action suit against Landrover for these faulty 2002 models. Anyone know of a class action suit pending???? Anyone have any suggestions on how to get the transmission repaired under warranty?
#851 of 1536 Re: Any 2005 Issues? [elmor]
Jul 26, 2005 (9:37 am)
Elmor posed the exact questions I've been trying to find the answers to. The LR dealer assured me that the company's reliability problems were a thing of the past. I'd like to believe him, but I think it's prudent to take his statement with a grain of salt large enough to fill the back of the Freelanderar he wants to sell me.
Does anyone know whether, thus far, the 2005s are faring better than earlier models? Elmor, have you been able to find any useful information?
Also, I'm confused about the quality of the Land Rover brand in general. Over the years, I've heard horror stories like the ones here and others associated with the Discovery. And J.D. Power's 2005 long-term dependability ratings (based on three-years of original-owner data) rank the nameplate second to last, with 395 problems per 100 vehicles. Yet none of the major reviews I've seen of LR's various vehicles have detailed any long-standing quality issues with the company. And with the number of them I see on the road, their reputation among consumers can't be *too* bad. Also, the LR3 was named 2005 Motor Trend Sport/Utility of the Year.
So what's the story with this brand? Is it as simple as them making their top-of-the-line models pieces of art, while neglecting their lower-end models so badly that they wind up being pieces of trash? Or have all of their models been plagued in one form or another?
I'd also be very curious to hear: Those of you who rue the day you drove out of the LR dealership in your new Freelander (or other), what were your impressions of the brand before you bought it? Did you subsequently find anything out about the brand (not solely through your own terrible experience) that you wish you'd known before you made the purchase?
I'd greatly appreciate any insight (or resources you could point me to). Thank you.
#852 of 1536 Light Problems
Jul 26, 2005 (10:06 pm)
It seems quite obvious to me that the '02 Freelander was junk. I bought a brand new '05 freelander yesterday. On the ride home from the dealership, I noticed the Interior lights of the vehicle would not shut off. Currently, the car is in the driveway, battery draining and all. Obviously I will be bringing the vehicle into my LR dealership tomorrow. But has any one else had this problem? and has any one had any problems with ANY OTHER year models? Primarily an '05. Thanks.