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Land Rover Freelander, SUV
#1428 of 1536 Re: 2005 Freelander [04freelander]
Jan 15, 2009 (8:31 am)
04 - I assume you mean the Honda CRV... very interesting as I just got an e-mail from my brother saying he could get me one at cost. I guess I've been pretty lucky, My Freelander has only been in for warranty service 2 times in the 4 years I've owned it. Overall, it's been a great car with very minor issues. I'm just worried about the whole engine thing. I spoke with Land Rover yesterday and they said they do have an outsourcer who replaces the engines, so it is possible to replace them... I just have no idea at what cost out of warranty. My Freelander is paid off which is why I'm hesitant to sell it and go back to monthly payments on another vehicle. Kelly Blue Book puts trade-in value at around 8,000, Autotrader.com has them running around 12,000. What to do, what to do....
#1429 of 1536 Re: 2005 Freelander [Krystilia]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Jan 15, 2009 (10:21 am)
If you read back over the last 1400 posts, I think the proper decision will become much clearer..
Even if you got $10K for it, and bought another $10K car...
My wife really liked the Freelander.. I'm very glad that we never bought one..
#1430 of 1536 Re: 2005 Freelander [Krystilia]
Jan 15, 2009 (4:48 pm)
Hey, don't believe Land Rover when they tell you that they have an outsourcer who replaces the engines. Mine sat at Land Rover for 9 months waiting. It never got one. There aren't any engines. LRNA knows that. Don't get stuck with a broken down car, sell it immediately.
#1431 of 1536 Re: 2003 landrover [rgunn]
Jan 20, 2009 (6:45 pm)
Wow, wish I had read this a year and a half ago! That's when we thought our problems were starting. Since we bought our new 2003 LRFL we have replaced the brakes at least once every year. We followed that up with new headlights about every 1.5 years. Replaced the sunroof motor. Replaced the taillight assemblies. And then we started to experience an overheating engine. Keep in mind that we have always taken our vehicle to the LR dealership that we bought it from here in Vancouver, Canada. Since day one! After about 18 months of overheating engines, and many trips to the repair shop, the engine finally gave out and we had to replace it. It was out of warranty and so we were on the hook for the price. I was fuming mad and demanded that LR take responsibility for the problem they seemed unable to diagnose or fix. The dealer "reluctantly" agreed to cover the cost of the engine if we would pay the labour. Unhappy, but better than nothing, we paid the labour and had our engine replaced in September 2008. I thought it ironic that at the time that I went to pick up the vehicle after the engine was replaced that another LRFL owner was in getting their engine replaced. Same model year. I commented to the service rep about this and he said it was rare. After reading a few pages of this blog (about 20) and all describing the same problem, it is very clear to me that LR is not telling their "valued customers" the truth. Not once was I ever told that this epidemic was happening, nor was I told what would eventually happen to my engine. After reading this I will be in to see the dealer tomorrow and pursue getting back the $3800 labour costs we paid to replace the engine. Don't even get me started on all the brakes that I have paid for!
#1432 of 1536 Over heating/Head Gasket Failure
Jan 27, 2009 (10:19 am)
Posts related to over-heating and coolant leakage is most likely the Head Gasket Failure.
Shamfan -- you're Freelander clearly has the problem, my advice would be to look at whatever you can do to trade it in as part of a different vehicle purchase or else you end up trapped with trying to work with your lender and credit/repossession options or othe legal course.
Krystalia-- you may have the issue, my advice would be to check the oil cap on the engine, underneath the cap you should see an emsulified oil/coolant goo, it will be sticking to the cap and look like oil mixed with coolant. Otherwise, re-fill the coolant overflow cannister and observe if the coolant level drops during a week or two week period, look for ground evidence of a leak, however if it is the Head Gasket Failure, there will be no ground leakage. My coolant tube in very front of the engine broke/was brittle, which can happen over time, you would see ground leakage if was that.
Again, ALL of these vehicles will inevitably have the Head Gasket Failure happen, it is only a matter of how many miles and when. The design of the engine is the source of the problem, so any refurbished engines would bear the same defect. You are advised to get rid of the vehicle, via whatever means you have to do so. Repairing will only further drain your savings and not benefit you with a long term fix to the problem as these issues will happen again.
The other F4 Error is being widely reported also, is unrelated to the Brake Light Switch recall on this vehicle. You may want to check another Freelander Service technician or location for a 2nd opinion as this error light is not driver related and is the lesser of the failures reported in these vehicles.
Bottom line, Freelanders from 2002-2005 (2005 year was discontinued) are pieces of shit and there is no fair salvage value as now it is fully known these vehicles are complete failures. You will be lucky to get $5000-$6000 on one with no issues, and $1000-$2000 on one with the terminal failures mentioned.
Feb 05, 2009 (5:24 pm)
I purchased my 02' FLLR for 11,200 in feb 07' at a nissan dealership. I paid the down payment with my FEMA money after losing my car in hurricane Katrina. After 3 months problems with persistant overheating occured. Landrover and independent mechanics both advised on THERMASTAT replacement which is situateded under engine. Charged me $900. Overheating appeared again. Expansion tank $300. Overheatiing again. Engine suddenly died in traffic on vaca in dallas from austin. Car stuck in dallas for two months. Thankfully my nissan warrenty covered the 5,000 engine. Now after 4 months with the check engine light always on, we're broken again. The air sensor needs replacement. And thats just the begining of other "codes"wrong with it. No money. On top of all this my car was broken into for the radio 1.5 months ago. The dash is still all bashed in.
So I'm pondering on what to do now. I owe 7,500 still. Warrenty company says I've met my max on coverage. Talk to the bank? Trade for parts? Class action? Claim bankrupsy at 29. ??????????????depressing
#1434 of 1536 Re: same boat [4wheels2]
Feb 08, 2009 (9:35 am)
Since posting my frustration with my POS Freelander, it has been sitting in a drive way of my parents house. I can't drive it at all. The dealership has been nothing but horrible to deal with, they don't return calls and when they do it's a hassle for them to help or give advice. My husband and I owe 8000, the value is probably 11000-12000 in our area and the cost of fixing the pile is about 13,000. The problem all occured before the warranty expired, they just failed locate the problem - but they sure did find other problems on the way. Anyway, my husband was talking with his brother last night about going through insurance. The cost to repair is greater then the value of the car - can't we just salvage it? I know it would suck to have no car out of it and no compensation but it's an idea. We are thinking about seeing an attorney. We've already spoken to one and he is familiar with Landrover. How sad is that?! Good luck to all!
#1435 of 1536 Sold My 2002 Freelander
Feb 11, 2009 (5:18 pm)
I just thought I'd let people know of my recent events with selling my Freelander.
I let it sit for almost a year after getting the replacement engine and loads of other repairs to it for fear of it breaking down again and not being able to afford to fix it.
Thankfully it was paid off when the engine went out.
I sold it to Carmax yesterday for $2,000.00. A very sad day, it ran beautifully all the way to the store and I had a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach but, it's done and I'm free of the nausea and worry over the whole mess. The dealer told me the industry calls them Freeloaders and acknowledged that it is common knowledge that they are lemons. We need to band together and sue Landrover. My only reservation is that I know nothing about how that sort of thing works. I did register a complaint with the gov. website suggested here on this forum but, I'm wondering where to begin to get some recuperation of $$$ for all of the repairs. Well that's my story. Just thought I'd let people know what Carmax paid for my 2002 Freelander SE with 75,000.00. They won't put it on the lot, just sell it on at auction. All in all a sad and painful experience to what I thought would be my ideal car.
All Best, Kim
Feb 12, 2009 (9:30 am)
i have a 2003 landrover freelander the main issue is sometimes u turn the key and it wont start sometimes it will the dealer keeps insisting its the battery which has been replaced 4 times i have also had a new starter put in but still have same issue anyone have similar problems and any remedy?
#1437 of 1536 MSN Autos reliability ratings
Feb 18, 2009 (4:55 pm)
I have a beautiful deep metalic red 2004 HSE with the premium 18" wheels. Unfortunately, good looks alone does not make a car.
I found it interesting to note that the reliability ratings on MSN autos gives the Freelander a perfect score... no significant problems!!