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Land Rover Freelander, SUV
#1400 of 1536 Re: Interference Motors [fferik]
Nov 03, 2008 (12:45 pm)
Fferik, That is helpful information on the timing belts, however the head gasket failure is an issue that is unavoidable and every Freelander owner should take heed on. These gasket failures are not supposed to happen on these vehicles, and are generally occuring anywhere at between 30,000 and 50,000 miles on many of the reports I am reading in various forums.
You may love your '04 Freelander now, but I will assure you it is the same piece of shit engine that we all own (barring that you put an non Series-K engine into the vehicle, which were installed into all Freelanders purchased between 2001 and 2005, when the model was discontinued for this very failure and resulting multitude of complaints).
When, and I seriously mean when, your vehicle experiences this failure, you will think very differently about your beloved vehicle. I don't mean to sound rude or condescending, but having spoken with several Land Rover and non-Land Rover mechanics, you will come to the realization that timing belts, failed gas-filter assembly, transmission failures and every other defect in this vehicle are minor once the head gasket failure happens and slowly destroys your vehicle.
You sound familiar with these vehicles, so I am surprised that you are not advocating as the rest of us are, to rid yourself of the vehicle while you still are able too. Even Land Rover mechanics advised to sell or trade in the vehicle as quickly as possible, as only replacing the engines that are no longer available can fix the head gasket issue. Get rid of your Freelander as soon as you possibly can!
#1401 of 1536 Timing belts
Nov 04, 2008 (7:48 am)
I had the belts replaced on my Freelander at the cost of 600.00. It had nothing to do with the car leaking coolant into the engine. My Freelander is now undrivable at 80,000 miles. I hope you have better luck than the rest of us. If I were you I would do some more research and get rid of it. I also loved my Freelander when it was drivable, but now after a year and thousands of dollars lost it has been nothing but a nightmare. All that car did was add stress on me and my finances. Get rid of it before something bad happens. I wish I would of known all this info before hand. Maybe I wouldnt of had to go though what I went through.
#1402 of 1536 Re: Timing belts [rgunn]
Nov 04, 2008 (9:05 am)
I called LR the other day and they quoted me $1800 dollars to change the timing belts. I have spoke to Howard Gutman the individual who is handing the class action lawsuit (he can be reached at 19735981980) he said unfotunately lately they LR has been so willing to deal with the issue, probably because there is so many issues to deal with. I don't know what to do...unfortunately I am not in the situation to get a new vehicle, but on the other hand I don't think I have a choice.
Nov 04, 2008 (9:40 am)
Is this Howard Gutman taking on the lawsuit or is he just looking into the issue? Does he think he can do anything for us ?
#1404 of 1536 Re: Howard Gutman Class Action [moe71]
Nov 04, 2008 (12:01 pm)
I spoke with Howard Gutman (phone 973-598-1980) a few months ago and he stated he was not going to take on any class action lawsuit, but was looking into individual lawsuits or claims against Land Rover Dealers for reclaming money lost/spent on our repairs.
I chose not to replace the engine that would have been required, not to mention no engines are or were available for replacement with the model discontinued and nor any rebuilt engines currently available. So, Mr. Gutman said without me spending the $7,000-$10,000 on a new engine, he could not help me.
Recent posts have given some speculation that he was considering class action, but after speaking with him, he was far from the money or resources to take on such an endeavor.
Each of us have to deal with the vehicle failures and our respective financing companies. I would highly recommend making the financing company aware of the head gasket failure as they occur, the warning signs are very clear and obvious, starting with a constantly slow to more rapidly draining coolant overflow. Land Rover is not being cooperative whatsoever, and anyone who indicates they are either is lying or avoiding the issue.
#1405 of 1536 Re: Interference Motors [sripley]
Nov 15, 2008 (10:01 am)
My second post to this forum.....I'm the 'new' owner of an 03 I bought for my son's first car - and horrified that I didn't do more research beforehand. I know I need to trade it in or get rid of it, but so far we've had no problems (70K on it now).
In your opinion, is there any value in replacing the head gasket as a preventative procedure? And that the thermostat could be replaced with a different one to help prevent overheating. Any thoughts on this? thank you for your time!
#1406 of 1536 Re: Interference Motors [mysonscar1]
Nov 15, 2008 (10:29 am)
No, and no.
First, the head gasket failure is a result, not a cause. The head gasket fails when the piston sleeves start moving. (They are not supposed to move) The sleeves are iron inside an aluminum block, so many asumptions about the failure are made regarding overheating. Aluminum and iron expand at different rates at different temperatures.
However, many of these engine failures occur without reports of overheating. Also, many reliable engines have iron sleeves in aluminum blocks. BMW, Mercedes, etc.
Therefore the failure could simply be the sleeves were not properly designed to hold themselves in under any temperature.
Both of my engines failed in the middle of Winter in the Northeast.
Trade it. Immediately.
#1407 of 1536 Re: Interference Motors [dbfinlay]
Nov 15, 2008 (12:11 pm)
Dave is 100% correct. If this problem happens to your vehicle, and eventually it will, you will be inevitably stuck with a 2000 or so pound paperweight.
Trade it, sell it, do anything but try to keep it or fix it.
#1408 of 1536 your sons LR
Nov 15, 2008 (7:37 pm)
Please trade it in ASAP. I replaced a head gasket at 80000 miles soon after that, I noticed some of the same symptoms it had before. I knew it was going to need a new motor eventually, but I didnt think it would start acting up that soon after the repair.I just gave mine back to the finance comp. My credit is screwed. Trade it in as soon as possible. I would hate to see you go though what I went through.
#1409 of 1536 Re: A class action suit needs to be filed
Nov 16, 2008 (10:51 am)
My mom bought a Freelander in 2004 and the engine just blew this past Friday. She has kept up with scheduled maintenance and dealt with all the electrical annoyances such as power windows breaking down. And now the cost of a new engine will be $10,000. Landrover has no integrity if they do not issue a recall on these engines for these owners...they probably saw this coming and that is why they stopped putting this model out on the market.