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#1271 of 1536 Re: Any issues with 2005 SE3 Freelanders? [jeffs05se3]
Apr 01, 2008 (6:47 am)
update from the english forum from a person in the know-
It's fair to say that the later thermostat was an uprated one but I don't consider that a modification. Engines factory fitted with these thermostats are failing the same as the previous ones. The later thermostat has a variable temperature range versus loading, that is, under load and more heat being generated, the engine temperature is lowered to 78-80 degrees C. Conversely if the engine is under light loading the engine's coolant temperature is allowed to increase to 95-97 degrees C. It's a good idea but it doen't save the engine from blowing its SLS head gasket.
The THREE major problems are in the engine and one of them is the SLS head gasket which was simply not robust enough over time.
The cooling system issues would not have happened if the basic design faults were not present in the engine. All of the cooling system configurations have been okay even though Rover/ Land Rover didn't actually follow the well know paths of automotive engineering. No one in their right mind for example would design and fit the return pipe over the back of the engine like Rover did. What were they thinking of? It doesn't look right because it isn't. I can't think of one automotive design engineer that I know who would pass it.
The problem with the car passing all tests is the time frame. The gasket deteriorates over time and use, not just use. Thousands of miles in a few months is okay.
The K16 and KV6 that are rebuilt and modified by Heritage Mechanical Services in New Zealand are not failing but it is still early days unfortunately. These engines are rebuilt correctly and include modifications. The block coolant ones were devised by myself. Nothing can be done about the cylinder head. The claim is that the engines have been made reliable enough.
There is no getting away from it, these engines have some ridiculous design aspects to them and the fault is Rovers.
As an asside, the original long bolts are fine for re-use provided they measure the prescribed length. I have never seen an original Rover bolt fail, they are top quality bolts. I've seen a replacement part manufacturers bolts fail.
#1272 of 1536 Land Rover Freelanders -- other forums and advice
Apr 16, 2008 (12:55 pm)
Please count me in on any class action lawsuit, my SUV died in February from the Head Gasket Failure/Coolant Leaking into the Oil Issue described numerous times in these forums:
If you would like more information on the car's engine defective design (even Land Rover mechanics have posted in these other forums advising the Chinese Manufactured K-1 Engine is to blame for all of these over-heating & related issues), also I had the same regulator break on the passenger rear window, cost me about $450 to have dealer-service fix that, and Fuel Pump broke at about 70,000 miles, cost about $750 to fix that (and it breaks because the filter is attached to the fuel pump assembly, so it's designed to eventually clog and require this repair). I agree, the break pads wear and rotors require re-cut and then replacement at every 15,000 miles (so re-cut at 15K, then replace at 30K, and so forth)--
This was the worst vehicle I have ever owned, including the old used car I got when I was 18yrs old. I hope and believe there will be a Freelander Class Action Lawsuit eventually, but will probably be years from now, at least that was what the attorney said. He also said you can try to sue Land Rover for the repair costs incurred, but its an uphill battle. He suggested getting rid of the vehicle quickly, as did the dealership mechanic that I spoke with in December. Everyone apparently knows this vehicle is junk, but us, or we do now.
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#1273 of 1536 Help on a 2002 freelander se edition
Apr 17, 2008 (5:21 am)
Hello every 1 i need help on a 2002 freelander se edition i got a check engine light 10 days ago and my mechanic told me it was codes po171 and po 174 which are the front left and right rear oxygen sensors i placed an order at the dealership for those same oxygen senors and my mechanic replaced the bad ones when i got back the vehicle 4 days later the check engine light came back on with the same codes i took it back to my mechanic he told me that something else is knocking off the oxygen senors in which is not working properly any one with some insights please help me with some info thanks alot
#1274 of 1536 Ref: Help on a 2002 freelander se edition
Apr 17, 2008 (5:33 am)
Sell the thing before your engine & transmission goes! I am still in court over my 2002 Freelander. Transmission gone at 45,000 & engine blew at 52,000. If you are not the original owner check the serial numbers on your engine. Land Rover dealers do not report major problems to Car Facts on purpose, so 2nd owners never know problems of the first owner. If the engine does go, the dealership is instructed to lie about the cause.
Apr 17, 2008 (5:40 am)
im the second owner vehicle but here in charlotte nc the dealer ship had taken care of it on the 36,000 mile warranty booklet inside the glove box now i have on 48,510 miles on it right now i was just curious on what needed to do on what causes the oxygen senors being affected when i already changed them let me know on some insights thanks alot????
#1276 of 1536 Re: Help on a 2002 freelander se edition [freelander22]
Apr 17, 2008 (7:42 am)
Not to question what codes the mechanic identified, but that check engine light does come on for alot more than just that issue (this vehicle is poorly designed so diagnosing the real issue is often through the symptoms that the sensors notice), that if you were experiencing the Head Gasket Failure issue could trip the sensor as the burning coolant certainly will fault the engine. I dont know why the oxygen sensor would be the standalone issue.
At $100 or more for them to do their computer-diagnosis, you would be strongly advised to trade in the vehicle while you still can. You should be able to reset the check engine light error by removing the batter connection for 15 minutes and then reconnecting (I was told this by the mechanic). That will force a reset of the check engine light and any other faults. Of course if they are still occuring, you will just have to either trade it in "as is" or you would be guessing what else was causing the fault.
Apr 17, 2008 (10:55 am)
OMG! I have a 2003 Freelander SE with the exact same engine problem at 54000 miles. It started with the coolant problem and overheating, they kept sending me away with a supposed fix but it never fixed the problem - perhaps they were trying to wait until my extended warranty expires in August?! Thank goodness I pestered them until they looked into it - now it won't cost me thousands!
Have had problems with the sun roof and windows not working, brake lights have gone out numerous times, alignment seems always to be a bit off so my tires wear wrong, all the plastic pieces have broken (center compartment between driver and passenger, jack compartment in back)
Anyone else notice that the breaks wear out unusually quickly and cost about 5 times that of other vehicles?? And that you can't get out of the dealership under 2K every time you take it in?
This is insane, I am trading it in for a RAV4 as soon as they replace the engine!
Nice to know I am not alone - thought I bought a lemon, but sounds like the entire freelander population is lemonized!
#1278 of 1536 Re: WOW! [orca08]
Apr 17, 2008 (11:09 am)
Yes, trade it in as soon as they replace the engine, that the new engine will likely be a refurbished engine (they arent producing any more of these crappy engines any longer). I also had a rear window regulator break (cost $475 to replace/fix), and had the same sun roof mechanism fail (but I just kept it closed for the last 2 yrs).
The engine/Head Gasket Issue is the repair that is the most critical and terminal condition for the vehicle. The dealers mechanics will never fix the gasket, so they will only offer the engine replacement, but either repair will cost you more than the SUV is worth.
And yes, the brake pads and then rotors wear out very quickly, because of the weight of the vehicle (the dealer says). I personally think it has more to do with the fact that there are 2 disc front brakes and 2 drum rear brakes on the vehicle, hence the wear and weight all goes to the front of the vehicle. Another poor design flaw issue, and I was told the drum brakes were there to better allow the off-roading. Yeah, who ever could off road these things, they fall apart on the driveway!
You will notice when you goto trade it in exactly how worthless the vehcile/blue book value is. No one wants these SUV's, rightly so, as issues like this make the word lemon seem like we are being too nice in the description. I call these vehicles Fraudulently Misrepresented Stress Causing Money Wasting PIles of Steel and Bolts.
#1279 of 1536 Re: WOW! [sripley]
Apr 17, 2008 (11:19 am)
HA! regarding the brakes, they told me that the reason they wear out so fast is that "Americans use them much more than Brits. In the UK, they down shift to stop."
Not sure how to downshift to stop in an automatic...but whatever...
Good thing the "new" engine will only cost me $100 since it is still under warranty, but lord only knows how long it will be in the shop waiting for the new engine to arrive, good thing they give me a rental or I would be flipping out! I had a brake line issue that took weeks to even get the part in! Oh Joy!
"Yeah, who ever could off road these things, they fall apart on the driveway! ...
I call these vehicles Fraudulently Misrepresented Stress Causing Money Wasting PIles of Steel and Bolts." ROFLMAO!
Apr 17, 2008 (11:28 am)
Oh Yeah! And my wipers won't work if it gets below 32 degrees out until the car warms up - it's all a crying shame, really, since it's a blast to drive!
I sorta have a love hate relationship with mine at this point...